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Democratic Massachusetts Congressman Blasts Obamacare

Original post made by Beantown Ex Pat on Apr 22, 2014

U.S. Rep. Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts says Obamacare will bury the Democrats. Boston Herald radio has a taped radio talk where Representative Lynch voices his concerns over the fiscal recklessness of Obamacare.

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A 40% tax on healthcare is coming your way. Welcome to Socialism.

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Posted by Fringe fantasy destroyer, a resident of Menlo Park: Sharon Heights
on Apr 22, 2014 at 1:00 pm

"A 40% tax on healthcare is coming your way."

We'll see the Republican REPLACE part of repeal and replace before that mythical tax... which is to say, we'll find Unicorns first!

What is the Republican plan?

Obamacare cuts costs, covers MILLIONS (8-10 million so far) of previously uninsured Americans, prevents YOU from being dropped for pre-existing conditions, let's you cover your kids to 26, ends lifetime caps, and so much more.

The Republican plan? Die young.

HillaryCare was talked about in the early 90's. The Republican response to that was a plan from Heritage, now known as RomneyCare. Obama stole the Republican plan - RomneyCare - for ObamaCare, leaving the Republicans WITHOUT A PLAN.

When Hillary is elected (what Republican can defeat her?) will they rename Obamacare back to Hillarycare?

ObamaCare is a done deal, offering millions of Americans affordable coverage. The Republicans have NOTHING, that's why they come up with these Fox/Koch scare stories about some mythical unicorn/40% tax.

What is the Republican plan? Name a single republican plan that has been scored by the CBO.

(and "RomneyCare" as an answer doesn't count!)


Posted by The Age of Reason, a resident of Menlo Park: Sharon Heights
on Apr 22, 2014 at 1:31 pm

While there are some transitional issues that would arise in unwinding the damage Obamacare has done to the pre-Obamacare insurance market, if you believe, as most people do, that the statute has made things dramatically worse, then there's no reason why Congress shouldn't repeal the Unaffordable Care Act and then get to work finding a morE productive and cost effective way to improve our healthcare system.

One viable Republican HealthCare Plan is the Bobby Jindal Plan which is much better than the Unaffordable Care Act. But we have to be wary of Senate Democrats as they are committed to blocking any real affordable health care reform.

The Democrat Senate staffers dogged determination to coerce Republicans to submit detailed plans for evisceration with disingenuous leftist propaganda is their raison d'Ítre. They will zealously thwart any realistic prospect of the plans to even be seriously debated if they retain control of the Senate.

This is why it is so important for the Republicans to gain a Senate majority as they fortunately most likely will do.

In 1996 Bobby Jindal was appointed – at age 24 – as Secretary of the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals, running the entire state hospital system, and in 1998 he served as Executive Director of the National Bipartisan Commission on the Future of Medicare, a Clinton-created bipartisan commission. A bipartisan majority of the commission ended up recommending a "premium support" plan for Medicare reform based on a model that Jindal had originally put together as a Congressional intern – a plan that (in varying forms) has resurfaced in Paul Ryan's annual budget proposals. Jindal went on to work as a policy advisor to Tommy Thompson in the Bush-era Department of Health and Human Services before his tenure as a Congressman and Governor, and he's been engaged in healthcare issues in his two terms as Governor of Louisiana. So, his plan is not merely a thrown-together campaign document, but represents his long-term thinking about how to approach healthcare.

The Bobby Jindal Plan:

Web Link


Posted by Piyush "Little Bobby" Jindal, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 22, 2014 at 4:52 pm

"One viable Republican HealthCare Plan is the Bobby Jindal Plan" Not viable by any stretch of the imagination, and will never, ever be introduced, let alone scored by the OMB or congressional budget office.

Never been introduced in the senate, nor scored. Why? Because it is unworkable, and would never be supported by Republicans in the Senate, nor the House.

Jindal's plan calls for $100 billion for state high-risk pools for supposed pre-existing conditions. While that is about half of what is actually needed, it's way to high for Republican tastes, as the Republican-led House hasn't shown any willingness to fund high-risk pools. Note that last year, the GOP trashed a bill pushed by Majority Leader Eric Cantor to spend a mere $3 billion (not $100 billion) on high risk pools for under a year, fully paid for with cuts to Obamacare. Dead on arrival.

So, as asked above, what is the GOP plan that the GOP is behind? It isn't the back-of-the-napkin plan from Piyush "Little Bobby" Jindal.

What is the GOP plan supported by the GOP, and financially feasible? There is none.

What is the plan? It's been decades since the GOP has introduced a plan other than Rmoney's, and as the poster pointed out above, that is the insurance company reform known as the Affordable Care Act.

Two decades, and only one GOP plan, and they want to repeal it without a replacement.

Today's Dysfunctional GOP -- voting to repeal something 50 times that they will never repeal, and they know it -- just to get the keep the far right voters and donors happy. They collect your donations, and laugh all the way to the bank.

Then they run someone like Rmoney, and tell him and the sheep that the 'unskewed' polls have him winning.

Priceless.

Sorry about the laugh -- too soon?


Posted by Sam Singer, a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Apr 22, 2014 at 5:05 pm

Why us someone pasting Jindals resume? He's a nobody. If the right had any intention of a plan they would have told us about it. They would have made liberals take a vote against it. They would be crowing from the highest tree.



They got nuthin'....


Posted by Edgar, a resident of Portola Valley: Central Portola Valley
on Apr 22, 2014 at 6:27 pm

Jindal is from a state that wants their state book to be the Bible.


Posted by Beantown Ex Pat, a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Apr 23, 2014 at 7:43 am

Obamacare has been an unmitigated disaster from the onset and the midterm elections will be a repudiation of Obama's Unaffordable Care act. BTW, the 40 % increase was said not by FOX News but by a Democrat Congressman who is worried that he will lose his office simply because he was sucked in to the Obamacare Quagmire.

Any Republican Plan would be better than Obamacare. But liberals forget the obvious. The country was far better off pre-obamacare than after. Sure some people have been helped but about 10 times more people have been hurt. Monthly premiums have dramatically risen with less coverage and much higher deductibles.

President Obama was counting on all the young people who were stupid enough to vote for him would be stupid enough to buy into Obamacare. What he did not count on was that the young people would wise up. They will pay the penalty rather than buy this POS Health Care plan and Obamacare will fold like a house of cards.

Now for some of President Obama's most egregious lies:

"If you like your plan, you can keep it." — Barack Obama, June 2010

Already, 5 million Americans have lost their health insurance plans directly because of the president's law. By next year, as Obamacare starts tearing through employer-based insurance plans, that number will rise to between 50 million and 100 million Americans.

"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period." — Barack Obama, June 2010

How can you keep your doctor, though, if your doctor cannot keep his practice? As health insurance companies buckle under the weight of Obamacare, they are narrowing their provider networks in hopes of controlling costs. This, of course, means that your doctor may no longer be allowed to participate in your plan. Other doctors are dropping or limiting Medicare and Medicaid, and some are even dropping out of all private insurance as well. Still others are leaving the practice of medicine altogether. You won't be able to keep them.

"I will not sign a [health care] plan that adds one dime to our deficits." — Barack Obama, September 2009

The president originally claimed Obamacare would reduce the deficit by $100 billion in the first decade. Aiding and abetting this lie was Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, who buried her own report that showed Obamacare would cost $400 billion more than promised in the first decade. It gets worse. The Government Accountability Office's long-term projection reveals Obamacare raises the deficit over $1 trillion.

"I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital-gains taxes, not any of your taxes." — Barack Obama, September 2008

President Obama is now a tax-raiser of the highest order. Despite his public assurances to the contrary, his administration argued that the individual-mandate penalty — the linchpin of Obamacare — is not actually a penalty, but is in fact a tax. What's more, Obamacare contains 20 new or higher taxes on everything from pharmaceuticals and MRI scanners to tanning salons to the 3.9% Obamacare surtax on the sale of every home in the United States.



Posted by Piyush "Little Bobby" Jindal, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 23, 2014 at 8:53 am

"President Obama is now a tax-raiser of the highest order." This stupid statement is demonstrably false, as is most of the other garbage listed. See the chart below for 30 years of effective tax data from the CBO.



"Taxed enough already? Hardly. According to the Congressional Budget Office, your effective federal tax rates are near historic lows.

One of the great ironies of the rise of the tea party movement was that it coincided with the lowest total tax burdens seen in at least 30 years. The chart below plots effective federal tax rates since 1979 by income group. The key word here is "effective" -- these are the tax rates people actually pay after factoring in things like the mortgage interest deduction, the child tax credit and the myriad other deductions and credits written into the U.S. tax code. Values for 2011 and 2012 aren't yet available, but the CBO does provide projections for 2013 tax filings, which I've plotted, as well."

Web Link

Now QUIT IGNORING THE QUESTION: what is the GOP healthcare replacement plan?

When is the last time the GOP voted affirmative on a healthcare reform plan (other than the unfunded, deficit-busting Medicare Part D)??


Posted by answer the question, a resident of Menlo Park: Felton Gables
on Apr 23, 2014 at 9:03 am

Beantown and Reason - why are you so very afraid of listing the republican plan??????

You are like little kids, refusing to answer the question.


Posted by Lets Go Dubs, a resident of another community
on Apr 23, 2014 at 3:50 pm

Interesting.

One side ignores the other, while the other addresses the issues brought up by the first, and asks a simple question of the original poster and his/her adjunct poster. Clearly, only one side is talking past the other.

Of course, the question is unanswerable, because the Right can't come up with a bill they can even introduce, let alone be stuck to committing to via an actual vote. The reason? The Right's plan's for healthcare are untenable to the average American, either a deficit busting adventure like Bush's Medicare adventure, or taking away patient protections, such as re-instituting lifetime caps or pre-existing conditions.

Hence we see ridiculous responses that swerve from the question posed: what is the republican replacement plan?

re: " but by a Democrat Congressman who is worried" You are talking about one of the few Dems who voted against the ACA originally. Using him as an example is rather absurd; almost as much as watching the right wing echo chamber pivot this week from attacking the ACA (they know it's a 'done deal' and America does not seek it's repeal) to attacking Harry Reid. Apparently, Beantown doesn't get the memos from up on high.

Pity.

"Democrats said the GOP messaging plan only confirmed their suspicions that the constant campaign against the national health care law wasn't succeeding in moving public opinion.

"Republicans are now discontinuing the strategy they've employed the last 18 months .... and are now mounting an aggressive defense of the Koch brothers." Web Link


Posted by Beantown Ex Pat, a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Apr 23, 2014 at 6:48 pm


Despite previous posters' specious assertions that the Republican Party Obamacare has not offered a viable Health Care Plan, Republicans have in fact put forward alternatives aimed at not only repealing the flawed law but also fixing many of its shortcomings. Yet a previous poster provided a web link to one GOP plan and the blind liberals say there is no plan when, in fact, there are better ones than Obamacare.

In the House, the Republican Study Committee has put together the latest and most comprehensive version of a GOP healthcare plan. The American Health Care Reform Act, introduced in September 2013, now has more than 110 co-sponsors.

The proposal flips Obamacare's focus on a vast role for the federal government in overseeing the nation's healthcare system to a free-market approach, including tax deductions geared at giving consumers the ability to purchase their own health insurance, and tort reform aimed at lessening costs to medical providers. This aims to shut down legal predators such as Jonathan Edwards, who when he wasn't cheating on his wife at taxpayer expense, was raising healthcare premiums through meritless law suits.

The GOP plan borrows ideas previously Republicans plans, including allowing competition from insurance providers across state lines, creating pools for small businesses that keep rates down, and allowing the federal government to contribute to high-risk insurance pools in the states, bolstering support for those with pre-existing conditions.




Posted by Lets Go Dubs, a resident of another community
on Apr 23, 2014 at 9:10 pm

The American Health Care Reform Act has NEVER been SCORED, nor voted upon. If you disagree, please provide links. As pointed out above, it throws federal money into state pools, and the very same concept by Eric Cantor last year failed miserably.

"provided a web link to one GOP plan" that has also never been scored nor voted upon.

Here's a similar plan that the CBO studied: "The RSC doesn't estimate how many people would gain coverage under this provision, but the Congressional Budget Office did score a similar proposal from President George W. Bush in 2007. ....
The CBO noted, back then, that using tax deductions, which reduce taxable income, would likely make this a more desirable benefit for higher-earning Americans who have a higher marginal tax rate."

Lastly: "The American Health Care Reform Act, introduced in September 2013, now has more than 110 co-sponsors."

110 sponsors who are apparently too chicken@@@@ to actually VOTE on the 'bill' they 'sponsored'!!!!

Oh, look! Here's the status of the bill: Web Link

Progress
Introduced Sep 18, 2013
Referred to Committee Sep 18, 2013
Reported by Committee ...
Passed House ...
Passed Senate ...
Signed by the President ...

Yup, another marketing brochure from the GOP. They will NEVER even put their own plan up for a vote.

Why? Becuase it's complete and utter bullbleep. And they know it. Once it's scored by the CBO, it will be exposed for the fraud it is.

C'mon, Beantown, tell us what the REAL GOP plan is, not these joke plans!

What is the Republican Replacement Plan? They have voted 50 times to repeal, why haven't they voted even ONCE on a replacement plan? One tiny-weeny vote? Is that too much to ask, with 50 repeal votes, and 40 abortion votes in record?

Oh, yeah, that's right, ObamaCare IS THE REPUBLICAN PLAN (it's just Romneycare, after all.)

Sort of like John Boehner saying in 2010 that his job was JOBS, and never worked with anyone on jobs bills (like, say, Obama McConnell Reid or Pelosi.) Just a bunch of noise to feed the sheep at Fox.



What's the GOP plan?


Posted by Lets Go Dubs, a resident of another community
on Apr 23, 2014 at 9:14 pm

"The American Health Care Reform Act, introduced in September 2013, now has more than 110 co-sponsors."

WRONG.

It is actually 123 sponsors.

123 sponsors who don't have the 'sllab' to actually stand up like a man and vote on it.

$174K a year and they are too wimpy to vote on their own bill.

Pathetic.

What's the real GOP plan?


Posted by Beantown Ex Pat, a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Apr 23, 2014 at 10:44 pm

The plan is not to pass the bill only to have Harry Reid never to let it out of committee in the Senate. Once Reid is the Senate Minority Leader in January 2015 then the bill will pass the House and be referred to the Senate for passage. Obama will veto, But with all the horror stories coming in on the AFA that will only help the Republicans take the White House in 2016 -- Hillary's "stellar" acomplishments as SOS not withstanding.


Posted by liar, a resident of Atherton: Lloyden Park
on Apr 24, 2014 at 8:16 am

The republicans are scared of Harry Reid? Too scared to stand by their principles and take a vote?

That is hilarious. How hard is it to say that and hold a straight face?


Posted by liar, a resident of Atherton: Lloyden Park
on Apr 24, 2014 at 8:24 am

Sitting in committee since 2013, because they're scared of it not making past the Senate.

So brave, those intrepid repugs.

A real profile in courage.

Taking a stand for the country.

I know 4 year old girls who are braver than the repugs.

No offense to four year olds, of course.


Posted by Beantown Ex Pat, a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Apr 24, 2014 at 10:10 am

You will see how scared the Republicans are after they increase their numbers in the House and retake the Senate. Now for an Obamacare Horror Story from an on-line news source:

"Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act. They vote independent and are proud to say they helped elect and re-elect President Barack Obama.

Yet, like many other Bay Area residents who pay for their own medical insurance, they were floored last week when they opened their bills: Their policies were being replaced with pricier plans that conform to all the requirements of the new health care law.

Vinson, of San Jose, will pay $1,800 more a year for an individual policy, while Waschura, of Portola Valley, will cough up almost $10,000 more for insurance for his family of four.

'I was laughing at Boehner, until the mail came today,' Waschura said, referring to House Speaker John Boehner, who is leading the Republican charge to defund Obamacare. "


Posted by Lets Go Dubs, a resident of another community
on Apr 24, 2014 at 10:11 am

Whoa, Martha! The Republicans take FIFTY symbolic votes for repeal of ObamaCare, along with THIRTY PLUS symbolic votes against a woman's right to choose, and they can't take a single vote to uphold their principles?

128 co-sponsors that are too chicken*** to force Harry Reid to go against their plan?!?

Beantown, you can't possibly be serious with that lame, weak, incredulous EXCUSE.

50 symbolic repeal votes vs. NOT A SINGLE CO-SPONSOR willing to vote for his own bill? "A real profile in courage." (perfect choice of words, @liar)

to repeat: 128 sponsors who don't have the 'sllab' to actually stand up like a man and vote on it.

$174K a year and they are too wimpy to vote on their own bill.

Pathetic.

What's the real GOP plan?



Posted by Lets Go Dubs, a resident of another community
on Apr 24, 2014 at 10:29 am

"Cindy Vinson and Tom Waschura are big believers in the Affordable Care Act"

And they still are.

That old story isn't from an "on-line news source", it's from the SJ Merc. Six months ago. And there's been rule changes that made it obsolete. Try following up next time.

("follow-up" means getting off Brietbart and Fox once in a while....)

So: Vinson and Waschura were using an El Cheapo catastrophic policy for a family of four (ouch -- pray for those kids!) Now, with changes from months ago that Beantown won't acknowledge, they can still do so. Again, pray for those kids. And if Vinson and Waschura go onto CoveredCA now, they'll find even better policies.

From the Merc: "While the catastrophic plans may offer lower premiums, Gonzales said consumers should review what their out-of-pocket costs would be under such a slimmed down policy. (because Vinson's kids never have random medical issues, right?)

As well, at least one-third of the 900,000 Californians whose plans were canceled are eligible for subsidies; catastrophic plans would not offer any tax credits, she said.

Tom Waschura, a Portola Valley engineer whose family's insurance plan was canceled, said Friday that he was just about to pay the bill for his new insurance plan, but he now will hold off to see if catastrophic plans would be less expensive."



Vinson and Waschura would talk about the GOP plan, except THERE ISN'T A GOP PLAN.



What's the GOP plan???


Posted by family health is first, a resident of Menlo Park: Sharon Heights
on Apr 24, 2014 at 1:05 pm

A catastrophic policy for a family wiyh kids? Do these guys play the lottery too? These are the types that end up declaring medical bankruptcy and using the emergency room eventually. Thats crazy gambling with your family like that.


Posted by Obamacare Lies, a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Apr 24, 2014 at 1:34 pm

1. "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Period!"
2. "If you like your Health Care Plan you can keep your health care plan."
3. The average family will save $2500 per year.

Now the truth.

A lot of people can not keep their doctor.

Most people can not keep their health care plan

Deductibles have rise dramatically
Health care premiums have increased dramatically
Annual Caps have nearly doubled.
If you sell your house you have to pay Obamacare 3.9% on the sale of the home
If you own rental properties you have to pay Obamacare 3.9% of your net.

Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi are congenital liars. My favorite Pelosi quote which I have seen on television numerous times "You have to pass the Health care plan to know what's in it". And the people of San Francisco voted for that moron?

The Affordadable Care Act is merely a vehicle to transfer wealth from people who earned it to people on the dole. You know the ones who use their Food debit cards on cruise ships and in Nevada brothels.


Posted by Piyush "Little Bobby" Jindal, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 24, 2014 at 2:53 pm

"Most people can not keep their health care plan" Prove it. The only people I know who couldn't ended up with a better plan, and much cheaper. And I know a couple self-employed's that got REBATES last year.

"If you sell your house you have to pay Obamacare 3.9% on the sale of the home" THAT IS A LIE. FROM FORBES:

"There Is No Obamacare Tax On Most Home Sales. Really. It is the unfounded rumor that never dies: You will have to pay a 3.8 percent federal health care tax on the sale of your house.

It is wrong. It is urban myth. It is the revenue equivalent of death panels..."

Web Link

"Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi are congenital liars."

Except you are the one posting the lies here. It took me 5 seconds to disprove the first. You offer no links or substantiation for your lies.

Therefore, without any proof, based on the easily provable lies, you are just trolling crap you picked up on fringe right websites.

On those websites, can you find the GOP replacement plan?




Posted by Forbes, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 24, 2014 at 4:43 pm

Dude posts a lie that Forbes Magazine corrects? Wow. That's pretty lame.

Time for Pogo to tell the world that both sides are ignoring the other, even though clearly it's only the fringe tea partier that is ignoring the rebuttals and questions of the mainstream posters.

The right lies, gets called on the lies by the mainstream and the left, and the libertarians try to assign false equivalency to both sides. Yeah, right.

What is the libertarian plan for replacement of ObamaCare?

Meanwhile, the GOP is now blaming ObamaCare for not covering enough Americans (talk about chutzpah!)

"Remember, House Republicans have voted to repeal Obamacare 50 times. They have voted on serious Obamacare alternatives exactly zero times. They haven't even made a serious attempt to get a bill out of committee, let alone hold a floor debate. A few Republican lawmakers have crafted proposals on their own, as have some conservative intellectuals. But GOP leaders have made it very clear they want nothing to do with these plans.
In addition, a major reason the Affordable Care Act isn't reaching more people is that Republicans have done their best to limit the law's reach—primarily, by blocking expansions of Medicaid in states where conservative Republicans hold sway." Web Link


Posted by Beantown Ex Pat, a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Apr 24, 2014 at 5:19 pm

We're now at the point where the Obama administration will lie to us, even though everyone knows they're lying and they know we know they're lying. I guess their strategy is to lie so much that everyone just becomes numb to the deceit and the lies start to seem routine. It's remarkable, but that's where we are. And there are still a few Obama apologists who will defend the lies to try and create a sliver of doubt and sow confusion among more gullible voters.

What does this mean politically? Does yet another lie make things worse for Obamacare, or does it contribute to the desensitization of voters? The Democrats hope voters will move past the deceit, the incompetence and the giant fraud that Obamacare has become, dismiss it as politics as usual and be less inclined to hold the Democrats accountable at the ballot box in November.

But if the young voters can see through Obama's lies and not buy Obamacare then there is hope that the rest of the nation will see through the lies as well.

If you have benefited from Obamacare then by all means you should vote Democrat in the midterms. But if you did not get to keep your doctor, or your health plan, or if your premiums have gone up, or your deductibles have gone up, or your out of pocket caps have gone up then you should vote Republican because the Democrats have sold you a bill of goods and will continue to lie to you because that is all they know how to do.


Posted by Forbes, a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 24, 2014 at 5:34 pm

@beantown

WHAT IS THE GOP PLAN for replacement?

What will cover 10 million uninsured? What will end lifetime caps and pre-existing conditions? What will cover your kids to age 26? Better services for women and so much more.

The Republicans lied and promised to repeal and replace - "Republican(s)... have sold you a bill of goods and will continue to lie to you because that is all they know how to do."

They have no replacement plan, and you know it.

How embarrassing.

You should be too embarrassed to even post on this thread until you can answer: WHAT IS THE GOP PLAN for replacement?


Posted by Beantown Ex Pat, a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Apr 24, 2014 at 7:06 pm

Joseph Goebbels provided the basic propaganda for the Democratic Party to succeed. Because if they ran on their record the party would be in shambles. So the Democratic Party practices the art of deception to distract the American people from the truth that Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."


Posted by Menlo Voter, a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 24, 2014 at 8:44 pm

Beantown:

Godwin's Law. You lose. Goebbels? Seriously?


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