Posted by Government Watcher, a resident of the Menlo Park: Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 5, 2008 at 9:50 am
That's fine. All public employees ought to be paid adequate living wages. So, now, what measurable performance outcomes will the tax payers of the City of Menlo Park be receiving in exchange for these salary increases?
Posted by mo money, a resident of the Menlo Park: Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 5, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Is that going to be enough money to get them to do some work? I don't remember the last time I saw a cop writing a ticket to a speeder or red-light-runner. (I do occasionally spot them by the side of the road harassing someone who doesn't appear to live in Menlo Park (non-white, beat up car) or with lights blazing en route to Sweet Amy's, so I know they are still around.)
Posted by watch out now, a resident of the Menlo Park: other neighborhood, on Apr 5, 2008 at 4:09 pm
This really is an outrageous percentage increase. It will filter through all the rest of the City's employee salary structure. With the economy slowing and the only way the City can increase revenue is through the utility tax, that for sure is going to have to be increased. Of course, not this year, an election year.
Posted by Joanna, a resident of the Menlo Park: Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 5, 2008 at 4:15 pm
watch out now,
Yes. It is already happening. The $250k gravy package (salary, bonuses and gifts) for the city manager was not the first of the pay increases. We now have a liason who goes between residents and the council. How nice. How much you ask? $100k. Working for the city sure is a nice business.
We will have to wait and see who else gets some gravy.
Now for the police, I think they do a great job. I am sure they have a hand in making sure violent crime is down in our city. Thank God for that. Stop people on the streets and pull people over... if that's what it takes.
Why is the FD always at Safeway? Another topic.
Anyway, we will have to see who is next. It will be met with some shock and quiet outrage and then forgotten. They laugh and we just sit back and say, "that's ridiculous!" and, "someone should do something about that."
Posted by Confused.., a resident of the Menlo Park: Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 5, 2008 at 5:17 pm
I'm confused. If you find the salary increase outrageous... what is appropriate in your opinion? How much should someone be compensated to watch over us and our property? As the articles stated, right now, out of 11 cities, Menlo Park is in the middle--with the increase, they would be at around 3rd or 4th? Are you suggesting other cities officers deserve more money? And how do you rationalize your opinion?
What's more, the 25% is merely a grabby title. It's not unheard of that officers get incremental increases in salary--especially over a couple of years; and this is over three. Add to this the fact that 30, yes THIRTY, officers have left over just three years--how else is our fair city to attract senior officers, or officers at all? Only by money sadly.
And there are many other ways for the city to increase revenue other than utilities and you know it. There is a still a lot of land that can be developed near Bayfront and other areas, so let's not exaggerate too much. ;-)
Posted by amused, a resident of the Menlo Park: other neighborhood, on Apr 6, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Joanna...the FD goes to Safeway to grocery shop like everyone else. They work 24 hour shifts and beleive it or not, they like to have three squares a day and maybe even a snack or two! They even cook it themselves at the fire house!! A little common sense goes along way Joanna!!
Posted by Joanna, a resident of the Menlo Park: Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 6, 2008 at 8:42 pm
It was just a question and had no pretense. I just always see the truck at various hours of the day. Did you think it was a bad question? (rhetorical as I don't care).
I hope you weren't addressing me because I never said anything about the PD. As I sad above, before and now, they do a great job and are deserving of appropriate pay raises. They deserve it.
On another note, the defections of most officers recently, in my ignorant guess, have nothing to do with retirement and more with low morale. I don't know who or what is the source of the low morale, but whatever/whoever it is, get rid of it (even if politically connected, monetarily connected or whatever may be the case)! Then there will not need to be a premium.
Posted by amused, a resident of the Menlo Park: other neighborhood, on Apr 7, 2008 at 8:47 am
Once again Joanna is posting without common sense! MPPD had fallen to the lowest paid Law Enforcement agency in San Mateo County. Of course employees were leaving to agencies that paid more and had better benefits. Not making the appropriate wages will cause morale to fall. Then staffing gets strained and people are forced into mandatory overtime. This adds to the morale problem. Of course being the lowest paid agency in the county does not attract good, competant applicants that anyone wants to work with and often do not pass the academy or the field training program...another blow to morale. Common sense Joanna...common sense.
Posted by Joanna, a resident of the Menlo Park: Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 7, 2008 at 11:12 am
80% of what you are writing about has nothing to do with I wrote. I'll just write it off as common _________.
Anyway, from what I know firsthand and from what I read from reputable journalistic sources, money wasn't in the top 3 reasons for officers to leave. Do you want me to make a pie chart for you? Don't hold your breath because I don't have to prove anything to you. Common sense, sir. Common sense. While I'm indifferent towards your grasping of any information, don't try to twist what I am writing.
Here it is for a fifth grader: I'm glad MP officers are getting a pay raise. Hopefully that will make a difference with low morale.
Posted by Roxie, a resident of the Menlo Park: University Heights neighborhood, on Apr 8, 2008 at 5:28 pm
I think the salary increase is a good thing, especially since the actual officers (as opposed to chiefs and higher ups) who do the hard work will be getting the raises. It seems to me quite reasonable that Menlo Park police should be on a payscale ranking highly among our local communities, that we were near the lower ends before, given how expensive housing costs are in Menlo Park, had to be discouraging potential recruits. If this helps create a fully staffed police force for the first time in years, I say many kudos to the city management and leaders who are putting city money into what is certainly one of, if not the most important priorities for any city--public safety.
Once we have a staffed police force, my guess is that traffic enforcement will finally improve--which will make life safer and easier for everyone.
After reading the Almanac's Special Report on the police shortage by Rory Brown last fall (September 26, 2007), I was really worried that nothing would be done about the problem, even though I knew, from closely following many reports and debates about the city's budget and finances, that we do have the funds for paying our police. Deciding on this salary increase shows me that the City is thinking and doing something. I'm really happy to see that.
Posted by penny wise, a resident of the Menlo Park: Downtown neighborhood, on Apr 13, 2008 at 9:45 pm
This is council that simply cannot turn down an opportunity to spend!
- 30% increase in muni employee pensions
- $45,000 to pave a Stanford trail, not for hikers but for maint. staff
- $15,000 to PG&E for WHAT?
- $109,000 for a community outreach person?
- $2mil for the Park Theatre (thankfully, defeated)
- 25% for the cops? isn't that what got Vallejo in trouble?
Every muni employee is convinced that he/she is underpaid compared to the private sector, forgetting the SWEET pensions, paid leave, etc. how many really do we lose to the private sector? None, they just rotate from town to town, county to county.
Posted by J, a resident of the Menlo Park: Fair Oaks neighborhood, on Apr 15, 2008 at 12:46 pm
So sorry your child was hit by a car that is awful.
But...Pretty sure they do bicycle safety in the schools. I've seen it done. Funny that you don't know that riding a bicycle is like driving a car. You must obey the law (i.e. ride on the same side of the street in the same direction as a car) You should tell your child they need to signal when turning and stop at stop signs too, wear a helmet and not talk their cell phone. Bike lesson complete.