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Atherton Police Negotiations – Status is right here

Original post made by Wow, Atherton: other, on Apr 11, 2013

Is this "through the looking glass" or what? A letter just received from John Mattes. Cops expect the parcel tax to INCREASE. WOW!!!

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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 11, 2013 at 6:16 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

There is NO way the parcel tax will either be extended or increased if the council does not bring the taxpayers who will pay the bill into the discussions on the forthcoming negotiations and the resultant proposed labor agreement.

From: PETER CARPENTER
Subject: A formal request regarding police contract negotiations - keeping the taxpayers informed
Date: April 11, 2013 5:06:00 PM PDT


Dear Town Council,

This is a formal request that the Town not begin labor negotiations until there has been a public discussion of the " set of objectives for the discussions" that the council has decided in secret and that any proposed agreement resulting from such labor negotiations be made public at least 15 days before that proposed agreement is voted on by the council.

The taxpayers will be required to bear the cost of any proposed agreement and they should be given the opportunity to give you their input BEFORE negotiations begin and BEFORE a proposed agreement is voted on by the council. The labor negotiators will clearly do the same for their membership. Nothing in this request suggests that the negotiations themselves be open to public scrutiny.


Respectfully,

Peter Carpenter


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 11, 2013 at 8:53 pm

" The Town has repeatedly failed to attract qualified candidates to fill open Police Officer positions."

Could it be because most police PROFESSIONALS aren't interested in being glorified security guards? Maybe I'm wrong, but all the real cops I know and have worked with wouldn't work in Atherton to save their souls. There's your problem attracting qualified officers - no one worth a damn wants to be a security guard, they want to be police officers. REAL police officers.

"Many shifts are being run without a Sergeant and often there are only 2 Officers in the field. This does not allow us to safely provide the services you desire."

What services? Picking up your newspapers? Bringing in your mail? Bringing you your key when you lock yourself out of your house? Responding to false alarms?

"This situation will deteriorate if the Town is unable to attract and retain candidates with the proper background, skills, and abilities. "

You mean candidates that wish to be glorified security guards? That shouldn't really be a high bar, should it?

" In fact, if the cuts are similar in scope, many Officers, Sergeants and Dispatchers will find they are unable to


As much as they enjoy working in this town, they may have no choice but to seek other employment opportunities."

Where are they going to find other opportunities to work as glorified security guards at police officer salaries?

"The San Jose Police Department provides insight into what could await Atherton. SJPD has lost fully a third of their trained and experienced officers. They left SJPD because of severe reductions in compensation and benefits."

Sorry, SJPD lost those officers BECAUSE THEY LAID THEM OFF! SJPD wouldn't hire any of the existing security guards from Atherton. They'd have to send them through the police academy all over again.

"The APOA wants the APD to be one of the best Police Departments on the Peninsula."

Then you should refuse to be glorified security guards and start acting like REAL police officers. No more picking up mail. No more watering lawns. No more of the other nonsense BS the town is asking its police officers to do. If you truly want to be PROFESSIONAL POLICE OFFICERS. START ACTING LIKE IT! There isn't a San Jose cop I know that would even consider working in Atherton no matter what the pay. They are PROFESSIONAL Police officers and they do a professional police officer's job.

"These upcoming decisions are now before the Council. It is very important you express your views to the Council."

Yes folks, think long and hard. Is your ability to drive DUI in your town and get away with it really worth the additional 2 million dollars that you don't have to spend if you contract with the SMCSD like your neighbors in Woodside and Portola Valley? They seem quite happy with the service they are provided.




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Posted by Police supporter
a resident of Atherton: other
on Apr 12, 2013 at 8:33 am

Peter taxpayers were already part of the discussion. It's called the election that took place last November. Two candidates ran on a platform of respecting the will of Atherton residents to keep the police department, and to end the practice of Kathy Mckeithan to disrespect and destroy the morale of these Officers. The residents decided not to shortsightedly look at costs in keeping the police department.

As the letter from Mr. Mattes pointed out, Officers will leave if they are not compensated competitively. I ignore what Menlo Voter says...he obviously couldn't make it as a cop and has axes to grind, but we all know San Jose isn't Atherton.

Restoring competitive compensation is just a first step in trying to repair the many years of damage caused by Kathy Mckeithan. For example, a decision was made by a town manager who just stayed a few months to bring in an outside chief, something totally inappropriate for Atherton in my view. If there are no internal promotion opportunities, Officers are going to look at the here and now, which is current salary and benefits. I say promote an internal candidate to chief. There are several highly qualified ones.

It's going to wind up costing this town tons more money to rehire qualified Officers when the ones we have leave because of compensation, or to reconstitute the police department when outsourcing plans fail.

If you want something, you have to pay for it.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 12, 2013 at 8:51 am

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"If you want something, you have to pay for it."

There is NO way the parcel tax will either be extended or increased if the council does not bring the taxpayers who will pay the bill into the discussions on the forthcoming negotiations and the resultant proposed labor agreement which directly impact Atherton's largest single budget item.


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Posted by Huh?
a resident of Atherton: other
on Apr 12, 2013 at 9:11 am

Police supporter, you advocate "restoring competitive compensation"? What's not competitive about having a contract that requires compensation at the 70th percentile? What's to "restore"? You guys are already well ABOVE the average. What are you talking about?


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Posted by Process
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 12, 2013 at 10:46 am

Mr Carpenter, While you sit from your lofty perch and pass judgment in you're empirical manner you apparently have missed the process now underway by the Council and Town Manager to commission a survey to discover the preferences and choices to be made by the residents on keeping the parcel tax and increasing it. Maybe you forgot as you already denigrated the survey unless they used your outfit.
To be empirical like you there is NO WAY the residents of Atherton can wade into the details of salary and benefit compensation even if they were interested as they have no standing in the actual process. Yes they pay the bill and they can always express their opinion but in the end the process is in the hands of George Rodericks and our elected representatives.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 12, 2013 at 10:57 am

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

"here is NO WAY the residents of Atherton can wade into the details of salary and benefit compensation even if they were interested as they have no standing in the actual process."

Atherton's residents are a lot smarter than you give them credit for and time and time again citizens in other communities have used the referendum process to directly dictate compensation issues. I understand that this may be beyond some individual's capabilities or interests.

My preference is to rely on our elected council but I believe that that should inform the taxpayers in advance as to what are their objectives and get feedback and then give the taxpayers the opportunity to vet the proposed agreement before it is voted upon.
As for the survey issue - I object to a costly, narrowly focused, unvalidated, unstandardized survey that only deals with the parcel tax question rather than a much broader, standardized and well validated survey that covers taxpayers' assessment of the entire range of Town services. And I have NO relationship or financial interest with the National Citizens Survey.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 12, 2013 at 11:21 am

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Here is some information on the National Citizen Survey:

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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 12, 2013 at 1:19 pm

supporter:

no, Atherton isn't San Jose. Atherton doesn't have a highly trained, professional police force. It has over paid security guards.

No axe grinding here. I just happen to know of what I speak. You are obviously an Atherton cop.


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Posted by bread crumb trail
a resident of Atherton: other
on Apr 12, 2013 at 8:49 pm

Wow!
I know she's the mayor, but I just have to laugh at Mattes' enclosed return envelope addressed to Elizabeth Lewis. Wonder if these materials were already printed up before her election......


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Posted by Wow
a resident of Atherton: other
on Apr 12, 2013 at 9:02 pm

Let's separate Mattes' propaganda from some actual facts.

Percentage of compensation that San Francisco cops contribute to their pension plan? Between 10 and 11%, and going up.

Percentage of compensation that Santa Cruz cops contribute to their pension plan? 20% That's TWENTY PERCENT.

Percentage of compensation that Atherton cops contribute to their pension plan? ZERO. 0%. NADA. NOTHING.

And they're paid at the 70th percentile of the wealthiest county in California.

And they're still complaining they're underpaid.

And the costs are going up 50%.

And their jobs are nowhere close to as dangerous as San Francisco or Santa Cruz cops. Not even in the same universe.

Maybe Menlo Voter can fill us in on what San Jose cops pay towards their pensions. Maybe the Almanac can run a piece on the real economic issues and compare them with other cities in the Bay Area.

This is a ridiculous situation.


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 12, 2013 at 9:27 pm

Wow:

I'm not up to date on what SJPD officers contribute, but last I heard it was around 9%. Even with the 70 percentile guaranteed pay and the non contribution toward their retirement, I don't see SJPD officers breaking down the doors to apply with APD. APD has always been viewed as a joke by real police departments.


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