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Supervisors reject part of amendment allowing Sheriff's Office to sell old guns

Original post made on Sep 18, 2013

The San Mateo County Board of Supervisors rejected part of a proposed ordinance amendment today that would have allowed the Sheriff's Office to sell more than 700 guns.

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Posted by AdvRider, a resident of another community
on Sep 18, 2013 at 9:25 am

So now even the very common practice (anywhere other than in California) of allowing LEOs to purchase their duty weapons is suspect, yet I challenge Supervisors Pine and Tissier to produce any evidence that duty weapons, yes, even three or four, properly sold to LEOs have been used in criminal activity. Perhaps the guns sold "into the general population" might be used in self defense against the criminals that ignore the gun laws that exist today.


Posted by Ted, a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Sep 18, 2013 at 12:37 pm

Guns are still legal in this state. Similar to fancy cars, many rifles and pistols that have a special history become more valuable and thus collectible. It is a crying shame those who were elected by the "general population" seem to become the great protectors once in office. Don't they realize any qualified adult citizen can purchase a firearm legally in this state from any license retailer so these special items that are being restricted won't exactly be 'flooding' the market. Wonder if they consulted the AFT for transfer protocols?

Guns are like tools in a tool box. Different calibers for different applications. To limit how many one purchase should not be infringed. Equal opportunity for all. At least they are smart enough to find the revenue attractive.


Posted by Ethan, a resident of Menlo Park: University Heights
on Sep 18, 2013 at 12:42 pm

Shouldn't the police also be allowed to resell confiscated marijuana to licensed medical marijuana dispensaries or qualified individuals? Such a sideline business could be a windfall for taxpayers.


Posted by Debbie Mytels, a resident of another community
on Sep 18, 2013 at 12:49 pm

THANK YOU, Supervisors Tissier and Pine, for raising this issue. In light of yet another tragedy this week at the Naval Yard in Washington, D.C. anything that can be done to remove handguns and other weapons is a step towards improving our society. They certainly should not be sold to others except the previously assigned peace officer -- and it would be better if they were ALL melted down.


Posted by Ted, a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Sep 18, 2013 at 1:05 pm

It once again sheds light on people with mental health issues being ignored or deprived the services they need until they crack. People will be screaming to 'ban the knife' once the guns are gone.


Posted by Michael G. Stogner, a resident of another community
on Sep 18, 2013 at 1:10 pm

Why would we limit our own Sheriff Deputies from purchasing these weapons, as many as they wanted, hard to find better trained people to own them.


Posted by Steve, a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 18, 2013 at 1:26 pm

Michael S. -
That's exactly why the Supervisors voted to allow the Sheriff Deputies to buy back their own handguns. They're no dummies.
I also applaud their decision to limit the sale of the old guns to others. It would defeat the intention of the gun buy-back programs if they were to spend $$ to take guns off the street and then sell their old guns just to make $$ on the sale.
Of course, when it comes to guns, rational behavior is too often in short supply. Nice to see that California still leads the rest of the country when it comes to intelligent gun control.


Posted by Ted, a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Sep 18, 2013 at 3:06 pm

The buy back doesn't take guns 'off the streets'. That is the biggest fallacy of composition since Sadam 'had' WMD's. It pays residents to shed old firearms in closets that were worthless, reducing the inventory and making more models all the more rare. The same was true of the Clunker/junker buy back. One of my '69 Ford Pick ups is now worth $10k! Love it! Gun control infringes and treads on the 2nd Ammendment...waste of money. Disarming a population so criminals will rob the unarmed and shoot up gun free zones isn't intelligent.


Posted by "responsible gun owner", a resident of Atherton: other
on Sep 18, 2013 at 4:22 pm

Wow. Yeah, let's push more guns the general population.

What's that you say? LEO's are trained and never have problems with guns?

Oh.

"A grand jury charged W**** K***, 46, Training Supervisor, with misdemeanor counts of second-degree assault and reckless endangerment stemming from the accidental shooting of a police recruit."

"The Baltimore Police commissioner shut down police training indefinitely after a University of Maryland police officer was shot in the head during an exercise at a closed psychiatric hospital."

This week, 9/15: "A North Carolina police officer was charged with voluntary manslaughter on Saturday after police say he fatally shot an unarmed man who had apparently just survived a car crash in Charlotte and was looking for help."

"Missouri Officer... was killed when another officer's gun accidentally discharged during a break from a training session."

"The incident occurred while an officer was clearing a round from a .40-caliber handgun. The gun went off, sending the round into a concrete table. The bullet broke apart, sending fragments into a second officer's leg, hand, and face."

"Melissa H**, 35, and Dexter C****, 28, were terminated for their involvement in an April training accident that led to the shooting of a recruit in the wrist..."

"Tiffany Danielle Bishop, Kelley Chase, Dan De Kraai, and John Kohn. All four of these officers or law enforcement recruits were killed in training accidents since 2010. Two were shot accidentally by fellow officers."

And on and on. I would laugh anytime someone mentions the phrase "responsible gun owner", but it's too tragic.


Posted by Willis Barnes, a resident of another community
on Sep 19, 2013 at 10:25 am

RGO - good post. You forgot "A WELL REGULATED Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Ted: "Guns are like tools in a tool box. Different calibers for different applications."

Let's see which calibers apply to which situation in the real world: murder, attempted murder, suicide, attempted suicide, domestic abuse, accidental shootings, and the rarest of all: actual self-dense.


"a 1998 study in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery that found that "every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides." Pistol owners' fantasy of blowing away home-invading bad guys or street toughs holding up liquor stores is a myth debunked by the data showing that a gun is 22 times more likely to be used in a criminal assault, an accidental death or injury, a suicide attempt or a homicide than it is for selfdefense."

The Constitution says guns should be regulated. Common sense tells us that it is a troubled individual that keeps a gun in the home - with a 22 times more likely chance it will be used on themselves or someone they love.

22 times more likely to harm than help. Who would subject the family they love to those risks?

Put another way: if I hear a gunshot next door, it is 22 times more likely to be a tragedy than anything else.

That's a whole lot of erroneous justification just to soothe a gun totin', stupid, wild west fantasy.

Time for a gun nut to bring up knives or a silly car comparison. Have at it...


Posted by Ted, a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Sep 19, 2013 at 12:29 pm

The poster above at least confirmed there are justified home defense situations.


Posted by Willis Barnes, a resident of another community
on Sep 19, 2013 at 12:50 pm

Ted still doesn't get it, poor guy:

"murder, attempted murder, suicide, attempted suicide, domestic abuse, accidental shootings, and the rarest of all: actual self-dense."

Those are the tragedies that befall families in homes with guns, well before the gun is ever used for defense.

22 times more likely.

That's gotta make a (conscious) gun owner lie awake at night and question his wild west fantasies, knowing he is putting his loved ones at more risk than necessary.

"a 1998 study in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery that found that "every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides." Pistol owners' fantasy of blowing away home-invading bad guys or street toughs holding up liquor stores is a myth debunked by the data showing that a gun is 22 times more likely to be used in a criminal assault, an accidental death or injury, a suicide attempt or a homicide than it is for selfdefense."

Or in Ted's case, I'm sure it doesn't.


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