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Three emergencies leave two men dead, snarl traffic

Original post made on Sep 30, 2013

Three emergencies dramatically slowed north-south traffic through Redwood City and Atherton on Friday, including two incidents that left two men dead.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, September 30, 2013, 11:11 AM

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Posted by member
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Sep 30, 2013 at 12:52 pm

Atherton is earning the nickname Crasherton and needs Caltrans to engineer and build safety into that dangerous stretch of El Camino.


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Posted by Crasherton
a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Sep 30, 2013 at 1:10 pm

Someone had the nerve to blame the victim in the other thread: "Taking responsibility for one's actions is not something that be fixed by more yellow paint, curbs or lighting."

When it should be: "Taking CIVIC responsibility - fixed by more yellow paint, curbs or lighting."

Crasherton. Prefect. Accurate. What will it take to shame Atherton into Actionton? Atherton should be all over Caltrans for help.


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Posted by Atehrton resident
a resident of Atherton: other
on Sep 30, 2013 at 1:44 pm

Hey Crasherton "Taking responsibility for one's actions is not something that be fixed by more yellow paint, curbs or lighting." was not blaming the victim. It was blaming the heartless person that left the scene without rendering aid. You can't fix that lack of moral compass with paint and lights. I know you want to blame everyone but the driver but the reality is it's the driver's fault. Civic responsibility is an empty feel good statement. Civic didn't kill the man, it was an individual.


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Posted by Crasherton
a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Sep 30, 2013 at 1:55 pm

@Atehrton - "Civic responsibility is an empty feel good statement."

The kind of community spirit that built America. Way to go, Aherton, showing your true colors. "We don't put lights or dots on the road, no curbs, you're on your own so we can have our imitation Carmel-like village."

May you and yours survive that kind of attitude. Others as well.


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Posted by neighbor
a resident of another community
on Sep 30, 2013 at 2:17 pm

The Police Report said that the victim's body from the Hit and Run had been moved from the site of impact. I hope Police are examining residents' cars in the area.


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Posted by Walk Safely
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 30, 2013 at 3:56 pm

Good time to remind everyone that when walking alongside a street, ALWAYS walk facing traffic which means on the LEFT side of the street. About half the people walking out there have their back to traffic that passes close to them. They are so self-confident that they apparently think no one would dare hit them. That's a deadly attitude and may be a contributing factor in the unfortunate accident reported above. Drive Right, Walk Left!


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Posted by hit and run
a resident of Atherton: other
on Sep 30, 2013 at 7:04 pm

Hit-and-run is not an accident. Killing someone and leaving them to die alone in the street is essentially premeditated murder.


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Posted by huh?
a resident of Menlo Park: Felton Gables
on Sep 30, 2013 at 7:58 pm

"Hit-and-run is not an accident. Killing someone and leaving them to die alone in the street is essentially premeditated murder."

So much in error with that statement.

An accident, whether killing someone or not, is still an accident. The crime is leaving if you knew you hit someone. Until the police release details, it's all speculation.


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Posted by neighbor
a resident of another community
on Sep 30, 2013 at 9:10 pm

There was a published police statement, early on, that there was evidence suggesting that the body had been moved.


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Posted by definitions
a resident of Atherton: Lloyden Park
on Oct 1, 2013 at 1:29 am

"moved"

Define.

Moved? Moved by hand? Moved by impact? Multiple impacts? Two or more vehicles? By the gravitational pull of the moon?

Or just wait, until the report is released. But yes, I hope they review all the vehicles driving through the area that night. It's a public roadway, and one of the few entrances to Lindenwood.


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Posted by 60 Minutes
a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Oct 1, 2013 at 6:02 am

El Camino Real in Atherton needs to be cut down to 2 lanes in either direction. That would make it the same as Redwood City and Menlo Park. Atherton has a freeway between its north and south ends. With 3 lanes, drivers almost always have the ability to exceed the speed limit and often do.

Atherton also needs to step up to the fact that the area is becoming more developed and congested. The horse and carriage streets that once served the community well are not adequate. They don't comply with modern standards to striping and signs. Pedestrians and bicyclists have to make do with unsafe, unlit roadways.

In both cases, the result is unnecessary injury and death.


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Posted by Confused
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Oct 1, 2013 at 10:38 am

Can someone explain to me what this statement means - "There are more unknown answers right now than we have questions,"


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Posted by What a pr*%k
a resident of another community
on Oct 1, 2013 at 12:19 pm

DA Steve Wagstaffe bad mouthed the hit and run victim in today's paper, stating he had been twice arrested for being drunk in public. Was this guy hit by a police car?


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Posted by Accusation
a resident of Menlo Park: Suburban Park/Lorelei Manor/Flood Park Triangle
on Oct 1, 2013 at 12:35 pm

Was that bad mouthing, or just stating a fact?


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Oct 1, 2013 at 3:41 pm

"Was that bad mouthing, or just stating a fact?"

Fact or not, what does it have to do with the case at hand. Wagstaffe should have shut his mouth.


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Posted by SteveC
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Oct 1, 2013 at 4:14 pm

SteveC is a registered user.

mmm, drunk or not, hit and run is a crime. Sad, sad, death.


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Posted by What a pr*%k
a resident of another community
on Oct 1, 2013 at 4:49 pm

The fact that this victim was arrested twice before for a trivial offense that harmed only himself is totally irrelevant, and Mr. Wagstaffe should have thought about embarrassment and/or distress his diarrhea of the mouth could cause his family during this very difficult time. It shows really poor judgment on his part.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of another community
on Oct 1, 2013 at 5:12 pm

The comments about the deceased hit & run victim being drunk remind me of when a now Menlo cop killed a homeless guy, accidentally, with his car. This was before he was a cop, working as a non-sworn police employee.


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Posted by What a ...
a resident of another community
on Oct 1, 2013 at 11:49 pm

I've now heard that the deceased, Mr. Jeffry Zeman, is a United States veteran.

Steve Wagstaffe, that's a lot more relevant information about this victim than the fact he was once drunk in public, or jaywalked, or whatever other petty offense you want to smear him with. Shame on you.