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Please Apply So We Can Reject You!

Uploaded: Feb 10, 2020
This is the time of year when juniors are hit with all kinds of college marketing propaganda. Some of it makes it sound like the school is ready to admit the student. To paraphrase the Wizard of Oz, “Pay no attention to the Admission Officer behind the curtain.” Don’t fall for it.

Colleges send optimistic marketing materials to many students who have no chance to get into that school. This is unconscionable, unethical and mean. Think about it, colleges’ selectivity is measured by how many applicants they reject. So, the more who apply, the more who get rejected.

The colleges hire college-specific marketing firms to keep those applications coming. These firms loosely attempt to identify anyone resembling a potential student and then spams them. When I fill out the Common App to see how each year’s version works and I list a few schools, even though I don’t actually apply, they even spam me. I have had emails from a number of admissions officers who can’t wait to read my application.

Here’s is a typical case I’ve heard over the years. The student attends a summer camp at a highly ranked university thinking it might help their chances come admission time. The school knows the student is interested, without knowing much else about them, and a year later sends them email, regular mail, invitations to meet with an admissions officer who is visiting the area. The school may offer to waive the application fee. The problem is, the student is often not competitive to be actually admitted. By this I mean, no student from their high school has ever been admitted to this college with this student’s grades and test scores. The student and their family think the student is being “recruited”, but nothing could be farther from the truth.

This happens all the time.

First of all, except for a very few niche summer camps, attending a college summer enrichment camp, will not increase the chance of admission at that university. Summer enrichment camps are great for enriching. I often recommend camps to my students for the experience and because sometimes even an essay comes out of it. I’ve even seen students change their academic goals based on a summer enrichment camp. But they had to pursue them at a different school.

Secondly, if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.
Colleges have ranges of accepted students, and those ranges are not going to significantly change for you.

I was a professional marketer. But I’ve never heard of a marketing campaign where you get people to want to buy your product and then you refuse to sell it to them. Maybe the admissions team should talk to somebody in their business school who can explain how important brand trust is, and how once you’ve lost it, it’s hard to get it back.
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Posted by Steve, a resident of Evergreen Park,
on Feb 11, 2020 at 7:18 am

Truer words were never spoken. As the quote attributed to PT Barnum says, "There's a sucker born every minute." It's very sad (and disturbing) that our universities choose anxious and vulnerable kids and families to prey upon.


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Posted by Anon, a resident of Another Palo Alto neighborhood,
on Feb 11, 2020 at 9:35 am

>> Secondly, if it sounds too good to be true, then it probably is.
>> Colleges have ranges of accepted students, and those ranges are not going to significantly change for you.

And, even if you do barely squeak in, you won't get breaks on tuition like you might at a school that really wants you. I suppose it might make sense to squeak into Harvard, where graduating at the bottom of your class might be worth something. But for most students, it is surely better to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond, and go to a school where you are at least a B student and preferably an A student.

>> Maybe the admissions team should talk to somebody in their business school

Sounds like this might make a good study for someone in a business school. What has the biggest financial return? Graduating near the bottom of the class at an expensive Ivy League school, somewhere in the middle at, say, UC Irvine, or, near the top of the class at a more competitive CSU like San Diego State? As you say, schools have their ranges of accepted students. Students often hear about the successes of top students at any given school, but, seldom have much information about the successes of the less than stellar students.


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Posted by Very helpful, a resident of Another Mountain View Neighborhood,
on Feb 11, 2020 at 2:48 pm

Very helpful is a registered user.

This is so helpful for first-time parents of highschoolers. I wish you posted more often because we need all the help we can get!


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Posted by Paagal Swami, a resident of Rex Manor,
on Feb 11, 2020 at 3:55 pm

Remember, it matters where you graduate from, not where you accumulated credits. My advice is to do some classes at community college, then a decent state college. You can usually transfer into a 'prestigeous' college toward the end of your 2nd year and still be ok.

Upside is that you'll also save money, and probably have a better idea of what you want to do in life


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Posted by Curmudgeon, a resident of Downtown North,
on Feb 11, 2020 at 9:49 pm

"I was a professional marketer. But I've never heard of a marketing campaign where you get people to want to buy your product and then you refuse to sell it to them."

Obviously you never marketed hyper-expensive intangibles where snob appeal is paramount. The more applicants Wholly Name College turns away, the more exclusive it is perceived to be, the more desirable gaining admission becomes, and the more it can bill the families of the "fortunate" few for conferring its bragging rights on them. Contrast that with the very open, quite competent, but reputed plebe Cal State system.

Real Elmer Wheeler


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Posted by WP, a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park,
on Feb 12, 2020 at 9:33 am

WP is a registered user.

To be a little contrarian, I attended summer school at Harvard between my junior and senior year of high school, and it was a transformative experience. I was a public school kid from the Central Valley and that 8 weeks spent in Cambridge changed the direction of my life. I got good grades that summer and was admitted and attended Harvard for college. With 5-10% admit rates at elite schools the odds are against even highly qualified applicants, but I think it's overly harsh to accuse the universities of some kind of nefarious bait and switch. For a kid from Atherton who already has every advantage and attends an elite private high school, a college summer program may be gilding the lily. But for me it was wonderful and eye-opening, and I think the schools are generally acting in good faith to try and give a broader set of young people exposure to elite educational institutions.


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Posted by John Raftrey and Lori McCormick, a Almanac Online blogger,
on Feb 17, 2020 at 11:12 pm

John Raftrey and Lori McCormick is a registered user.

Thanks for the comments. These are my thoughts
To Anon: Check out chapter three of Malcolm Gladwell's book "David and Goliath". He tries to answer your question.
To Very Helpful: Thank you. I am committed to posting more often.
To Paagal Swami: To carry your strategy even further, I believe it is what grad school you graduate from.
To WP: Congratulations on your Harvard experience. Taking actual classes at Harvard as a high school student does improve one's chances at most every school. Stanford and many other schools have similar programs allowing high school students to take real course with real college students. These are different from the summer camps.
To Curmudgeon: Good point on the luxury goods analogy.


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on Feb 20, 2020 at 9:09 pm

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