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Menlo Park: Officer, mom disagree about letting child walk home alone

Should parents have to weigh traffic safety vs. freedom?

Everyone agrees on the basic facts: A fourth-grade boy was walking home alone from Encinal Elementary School on Thursday, Sept. 11. At the intersection of Laurel Street and Glenwood Avenue, a Menlo Park police officer driving by around 1:40 p.m. saw the boy, pulled over, and after some discussion, decided to give the child a lift. Upon reaching the boy's home, he was greeted by an incensed mother.

Here the accounts diverge: Sgt. Jaime Romero reportedly saw a small child too young to navigate the streets alone. Maria Cortez, the boy's mother, sees the police officer's decision as unwelcome interference with a boy mature enough to walk home unaccompanied and who had only earned the right to do so at the start of this school year.

"The officer tried to scare us about 'how dangerous it is out there' and told me repeatedly that he could 'not comment on my parenting,' which I understood to mean that he disapproved of my parenting," Maria Cortez told the Almanac.

Most disturbing, she said, was the officer's statement that if her son continued to walk home alone, he could not guarantee that her son would not be picked up by the police again.

Drivers have a responsibility to yield to pedestrians, Ms. Cortez said. "I firmly believe that it is better to encourage our children to walk home from school, even alone when they are able to, rather than to teach them to fear it. Moreover, this part of Menlo Park is very safe except for some dangerous drivers. The police would do better to keep an eye on the drivers and be supportive of the pedestrians."

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Cmdr. Dave Bertini, speaking on behalf of the police department, said officers swear an oath to protect those who can't protect themselves. He said he had reviewed the video recording of the encounter, and that Sgt. Romero saw a child who looked very young and small who appeared to be struggling to cross the street.

The boy initially told the officer he was 6 years old -- even though he was about to turn 9 -- and couldn't give Sgt. Romero his home address, although the boy did know his mother's cellphone number, according to the commander.

The police called to see whether the boy had permission to walk home; the mother said yes.

Still, "(Sgt. Romero) decided to go ahead and bring the kid home," Cmdr. Bertini said. "He had a community service officer come by in a regular car -- not a cop car with a cage. We didn't want to traumatize the kid."

He added that in nine cases out of 10, the parents say thanks very much. Cmdr. Bertini said that 27 years of policing, he has given kids a lift about six times, and since coming to Menlo Park, has experienced the dangers of local traffic up close.

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"I run at lunchtime and I've almost been hit by cars three times, and I had the right-of-way," Cmdr. Bertini said. "As an adult I have the experience to know that a stop sign doesn't mean the driver is going to stop."

The bottom line, according to the police, is that in a perfect world, no one would be on their cellphone, no one would be speeding, and no one would run a red light -- but the world isn't perfect.

"Your son could have been trained 100 percent and he could have the right-of-way and step into the street and someone can still kill him. He could have the right-of-way and still be dead," Cmdr. Bertini said.

Menlo Park has "a horrible accident rate," according to the commander. Making the streets safer, he said, comes down to three factors: enforcement, education and engineering. The department has reconstituted its traffic unit, deployed motorcycle officers, and is carrying out intensive enforcement activities, the commander said, but the engineering part of the solution is not up to the police.

But even then, drivers ignore signs like the one at Laurel Street and Oak Grove Avenue that prohibits right turns on a red light when children are present, Cmdr. Bertini noted. "We have officers out there citing drivers, and a lot of them are parents who just picked up their kids."

Ms. Cortez acknowledged that speeding and failure to yield to pedestrians creates a dangerous environment -- and that means the city and the police need to do more to make the route from Encinal to her Merrill Street home safer.

"However, I believe that the police can help by enforcing safe driving behavior rather than by discouraging students from walking home," she said.

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Menlo Park: Officer, mom disagree about letting child walk home alone

Should parents have to weigh traffic safety vs. freedom?

by Sandy Brundage / Almanac

Uploaded: Tue, Sep 16, 2014, 8:20 am

Everyone agrees on the basic facts: A fourth-grade boy was walking home alone from Encinal Elementary School on Thursday, Sept. 11. At the intersection of Laurel Street and Glenwood Avenue, a Menlo Park police officer driving by around 1:40 p.m. saw the boy, pulled over, and after some discussion, decided to give the child a lift. Upon reaching the boy's home, he was greeted by an incensed mother.

Here the accounts diverge: Sgt. Jaime Romero reportedly saw a small child too young to navigate the streets alone. Maria Cortez, the boy's mother, sees the police officer's decision as unwelcome interference with a boy mature enough to walk home unaccompanied and who had only earned the right to do so at the start of this school year.

"The officer tried to scare us about 'how dangerous it is out there' and told me repeatedly that he could 'not comment on my parenting,' which I understood to mean that he disapproved of my parenting," Maria Cortez told the Almanac.

Most disturbing, she said, was the officer's statement that if her son continued to walk home alone, he could not guarantee that her son would not be picked up by the police again.

Drivers have a responsibility to yield to pedestrians, Ms. Cortez said. "I firmly believe that it is better to encourage our children to walk home from school, even alone when they are able to, rather than to teach them to fear it. Moreover, this part of Menlo Park is very safe except for some dangerous drivers. The police would do better to keep an eye on the drivers and be supportive of the pedestrians."

Cmdr. Dave Bertini, speaking on behalf of the police department, said officers swear an oath to protect those who can't protect themselves. He said he had reviewed the video recording of the encounter, and that Sgt. Romero saw a child who looked very young and small who appeared to be struggling to cross the street.

The boy initially told the officer he was 6 years old -- even though he was about to turn 9 -- and couldn't give Sgt. Romero his home address, although the boy did know his mother's cellphone number, according to the commander.

The police called to see whether the boy had permission to walk home; the mother said yes.

Still, "(Sgt. Romero) decided to go ahead and bring the kid home," Cmdr. Bertini said. "He had a community service officer come by in a regular car -- not a cop car with a cage. We didn't want to traumatize the kid."

He added that in nine cases out of 10, the parents say thanks very much. Cmdr. Bertini said that 27 years of policing, he has given kids a lift about six times, and since coming to Menlo Park, has experienced the dangers of local traffic up close.

"I run at lunchtime and I've almost been hit by cars three times, and I had the right-of-way," Cmdr. Bertini said. "As an adult I have the experience to know that a stop sign doesn't mean the driver is going to stop."

The bottom line, according to the police, is that in a perfect world, no one would be on their cellphone, no one would be speeding, and no one would run a red light -- but the world isn't perfect.

"Your son could have been trained 100 percent and he could have the right-of-way and step into the street and someone can still kill him. He could have the right-of-way and still be dead," Cmdr. Bertini said.

Menlo Park has "a horrible accident rate," according to the commander. Making the streets safer, he said, comes down to three factors: enforcement, education and engineering. The department has reconstituted its traffic unit, deployed motorcycle officers, and is carrying out intensive enforcement activities, the commander said, but the engineering part of the solution is not up to the police.

But even then, drivers ignore signs like the one at Laurel Street and Oak Grove Avenue that prohibits right turns on a red light when children are present, Cmdr. Bertini noted. "We have officers out there citing drivers, and a lot of them are parents who just picked up their kids."

Ms. Cortez acknowledged that speeding and failure to yield to pedestrians creates a dangerous environment -- and that means the city and the police need to do more to make the route from Encinal to her Merrill Street home safer.

"However, I believe that the police can help by enforcing safe driving behavior rather than by discouraging students from walking home," she said.

Comments

whatever
Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:12 am
whatever, Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:12 am

Anyone at the Almanac talk to the Encinal principal to get their policy on releasing kids to walk home? One would think that they would not allow it unless they thought the child was capable to do so. Are schools legally responsible as to letting child leave campus?


Answer
Atherton: other
on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:20 am
Answer, Atherton: other
on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:20 am

Answer: yes, the parent should have the right to weigh traffic safety vs. freedom for their children, not a police officer. Here it seemed no laws were being broken. The police officer seemed well-intentioned, but should not have made the crack about "not commenting on the parenting."


concerned
Menlo Park: South of Seminary/Vintage Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:26 am
concerned, Menlo Park: South of Seminary/Vintage Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:26 am

The mother needs "parenting classes" on the responsibility of being a parent in today's world. Something else that
is strange, is that the boy is actually 9 but said 6, didn't know his address, there is something amiss about this
whole issue ! If this becomes on going, CPS should be notified. Kudos to Sgt, Romero for being constantly vigilant, while on patrol..


BusyMomof3
Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:27 am
BusyMomof3, Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:27 am

Do Sandy Brundage and Sgt Romero know that the official policy of Oak Knoll, Encinal's sister elementary school in the Menlo Park Central School District, is that third graders can walk or ride their bikes to school by themselves? It's likely the same for Encinal school.

And who is better qualified to determine at what age a child can learn independence and responsibility by navigating to school or home by themselves than a child's own parents and/or the principal at our local school?

Sgt Romero's job is to protect, not interfere. The streets are dangerous? Of course, but even adults risk their lives when they step outside their doors. The fact that he is nine doesn't make him more or less at risk than someone who is much older, as Commander Bertini himself states.

This article is no more than a publicity statement from the MP police department about how much they are advocates for the "community." I wonder if [portion removed; stick to the facts, not speculation] officer I saw do a U-turn on a busy street almost hitting my daughter and I as we rode our bikes to school so he could chase down a non-speeding car who only paused at a stop sign? Yes, the streets are dangerous.


CCB
Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:33 am
CCB, Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 9:33 am

Oh good grief.

Some of the most dangerous driving that I see comes from parents who have just languished in the pick-up/drop-off lines at the various schools around town--or are trying to circumvent said lines by pulling into driveways, making u-turns, etc.

I'm sure the officer meant well, but his actions are a disincentive to parents trying to cut down on traffic and raise healthy kids. How are they supposed to learn to do anything on their own if we wrap them up in cotton wool?

I'll add that I think our officers are great but the messages I've heard from them about biking/walking to school are not always on point.

I know we don't have enough officers to police the distracted drivers (and bikers and pedestrians) every day. Here's a novel idea: let's police each other, and ourselves. Call people out when you see them making nimrod moves that could endanger themselves or others. And stash your phone somewhere far out of arm's reach when you get behind the wheel. We are becoming addicted to the constant stimulation of electronic devices and are forgetting the responsibility we have to our community when we get behind the wheel. It's hard enough to drive when you're actually paying attention.


Bahcom
Atherton: Lindenwood
on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:43 am
Bahcom, Atherton: Lindenwood
on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:43 am

Of course a nine year old can and should walk home from school or ride a bike. Its done all the time and, as far as know, never resulted in a problem. More traumatic for the nine year old was being stopped by the Police, ever so anxious to serve and protect and to second guess the parent who obviously had taught her son the route and to take care. I think we would better served if the officers showed the slightest concern for the countless traffic violations at Oak Grove and Middlefield or the impossible traffic at that intersection by drivers exiting M-A onto Oak Grove. Why not do something rational like left hand turn signals that would avoid the numerous accidents at that intersection and make the crossing much safer. That would help that nine year old much more than scaring him and his Mom.


parent
Menlo Park: other
on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:47 am
parent, Menlo Park: other
on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:47 am

If the police think local crosswalks are too dangerous for children, then they need to step up enforcement, especially around schools. Also, work with the city traffic engineers instead of just blaming them. Strange that this article does not get the point of view of the city transportation department.


Protect and Serve
Menlo Park: other
on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:48 am
Protect and Serve, Menlo Park: other
on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:48 am

Maybe they can swear another oath, after the protection oath, not to incense citizens with B* lines about: "he could 'not comment on my parenting' "

Protect, Serve, and make snide-*** remarks to taxpayers.


Nicole
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:54 am
Nicole, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:54 am

First the office said he looked six not that the child said he was six. Someone commented that he did not know his age which was not the case. Second I know plenty of adults that have trouble talking to police officers, it can be rather intimidating. I am sure the kiddo was scared and did not know what to say.

The theory that he could get hurt so the solution is never let our children do anything? How are they to learn to be out on their own if we don't let them do it!
Plus it is far more dangerous for kids to be in cars than to walk.
Lastly this is a parenting choice - she felt her kiddo was ready and he had been successful. The officer could have given him tips and let him go on his way. If Menlo Park is worried about Pedestrian safety offer a class with tips not encourage kids to walk rather than try to avoid it.


not_concerned
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 11:52 am
not_concerned, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 11:52 am

To "concerned," perhaps you are the one that needs parenting classes...

When I was a kid, I walked to school by myself *before* I was nine… so did everyone. What's the big deal? "Oohhh… it's dangerous out there these days!!!" Good grief…. at Laurel and Glenwood in Menlo Park? We are talking Menlo Park, CA, right!?!? No wonder we have a generation of kids that never leave home: what do you expect when you wait until they go away to college to let them begin learning to navigate the world.

As to the commander… if he's almost getting hit as a pedestrian so regularly, maybe someone is gunning for him. If it's really so dangerous, maybe he'd better get out there with some enforcement instead of making a bunch of silly noise about a child walking home from school at an age that it totally within school (and legal) guidelines! Yes… that's right... let that sink in… WITHIN SCHOOL AND LEGAL GUIDELINES.

Yeah… I don't think the mother should have reamed out the officer for trying to do the right thing, but the officer was out of line here with his insinuations...


police state
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:11 pm
police state, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:11 pm

Please just stop "enforcing" when no law supports your actions. Our kids are statistically safer than ever, regardless of tabloid journalism. Let them walk if their parents allow it.


Ol' Homeboy
Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:24 pm
Ol' Homeboy, Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:24 pm

What has happened to this town? The problem isn't kids walking home from school, it's the fact that Menlo Park School District totally screwed-up when it decided to dump all the Middle School kids into one school - Hillview! Back in the good old days, you went to one school in your own neighborhood from Kindergarten to 8th Grade. Heck, I once walked a quarter mile through 6-inches of snow to get to school...January 1962, if memory serves me right!
If MP cops want to make school travel safer for kids and fill the general fund cofers, they should plant themselves on Middle Ave. every morning between 7am & 8am and ticket the high-speed commuters cutting through Menlo.


MP parent
Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:28 pm
MP parent, Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:28 pm

This is insane. We are supposed to be ENCOURAGING our kids to walk and bike to school, not the opposite. My two have done so, alone, since third grade and they've both lived to attend high school. If the police need more to do, let them enforce traffic laws and crack down on distracted driving. But teaching our kids that they can only venture out in "dangerous" Menlo Park in the comfort of the back of their mom's SUV? Now THAT'S scary....


concerned parent
Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:35 pm
concerned parent, Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:35 pm

The police need to do more to make our streets safe - pull over the speeding and distracted drivers. What are we paying them for??

Make this area a zero tolerance zone for unsafe driving. A 4th grader should absolutely be allowed to walk home by himself!!


Police state
Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:47 pm
Police state, Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:47 pm

A fourth-grader is old enough to walk home by himself. Laurel is not an expressway (although some drivers may think it is). Dozens of children his age and even younger use it every day to bike or walk to/from school. The police officer's excuse was that people don't obey stop signs? Well, then, how about enforcing the stop signs! People don't even slow down at some of the ones in my neighborhood, and I have yet to see anyone get a ticket.

Some of the intersections in this city are downright scary for everyone, drivers included. I saw a child hit by a car at Laurel&Ravenswood, a busy intersection that desperately needs a left turn signal, but the MP traffic department claims that such a signal would slow down traffic too much. No, really.

More attention needs to be given to promoting safe streets. Instead, our cops are hellbent on handing out bs tickets to meet quota and on harassing people, including kids, who have every right to be going about their business. These are scary times.


Parent of three
Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:49 pm
Parent of three, Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 12:49 pm

It's a tough issue that has no right answers. The officer was just doing what he thought was right. My guess is that the cops have seen so many accidents that they prefer to be proactive rather than having a kid get hit and in hindsight, think he should have told the parent and could have prevented it.

I have three kids who did some walking home from Encinal and just didn't like the traffic and fast cars around them. We became car poolers and I felt ok about it as once an accident happens, it's too late to think better about it. My kids also saw a couple accidents on the road where a distracted driver was reckless. Keep in mind, Encinal changed their drop off point and added the metal stanchions on the corner because a driver crashed his BMW into the school area, but luckily there weren't any kids there at the time. So, yes it is dangerous for kids to be out and I personally think there are other ways to teach independence rather than having them do it near fast drivers and potential death. I trust the kids more than the drivers so I choose to remove them from danger and teach it in other areas.


remember the snow
Atherton: Lloyden Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:01 pm
remember the snow, Atherton: Lloyden Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:01 pm

Ol' Homeboy,
Don't think you trudged to school in the snow - it snowed SUNDAY Jan 21 1962... I remember because my parents made me go to Holy Trinity church and by the time I got home it was mostly melted already....


Police State
Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:02 pm
Police State, Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:02 pm

Therein lies the problem. Too many people seem to be okay with officers doing what they think is right.

One of my kids biked to Encinal, one took the bus, the others were driven. Different times, different situations, different solutions that fit our needs at the time. Parents should be free to make those decisions based on their own assessment of the perils and of their child's readiness to be on her/his own.

I had a child at Encinal when the car crashed into the front of school, and the driver was fortunate that the story was hushed up and no one was charged. Five minutes later, kids would have been walking in that area. Again: let's go after the people who are causing the problems, not the possible victims.

What will be the next edict from this police state? Will women be required to stay indoors after dark lest they be assaulted? Owners of big screen televisions forced to hire bodyguards to prevent their possessions from being stolen?

Our police don't make the laws. Their job is to enforce. Serve and protect, anyone? Not take away the freedoms of innocent residents.


PV resident
Portola Valley: Central Portola Valley
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:15 pm
PV resident, Portola Valley: Central Portola Valley
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:15 pm

I can't believe this made the papers. No good deed goes unpunished. The police can't win. Lame comments about "gunning for him".

The kid got home safe and had a good encounter with the police. Parents today are way too sensitive. On the one hand the boy is old enough to walk but appeared to struggle crossing the street, but shame on the officer for giving him a ride home because he wanted to do the right thing--to be safe. My first impression was, this is great, cops watching out for our liltle ones and helping out. If this officer's only mistake is this, then we should be so lucky.

Some people need to calm down and not micro-analyze every little thing into a big deal.

News: CHP off duty officer saves kid choking on a grape in store. Comments: Kid was stealing the grape and where was the parent?

Way too much analysis and always some elses fault. See the other article about cell phone violations. Can't wait to read the comments about how bad the police are in this article.


Protect and Serve
Menlo Park: other
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Protect and Serve, Menlo Park: other
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:19 pm

"It's a tough issue that has no right answers."

Oh, puuuuuhhhleeeze. [portion deleted.]

"My guess is that the cops have seen so many accidents"

Well, my guess is there are more kids involved (hurt or not) in car accidents as passengers than hit by a car while walking near Encinal. Not even counting the teens from MA.


Robert
Registered user
Menlo Park: Felton Gables
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:29 pm
Robert, Menlo Park: Felton Gables
Registered user
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:29 pm

@ Police State - "More attention needs to be given to promoting safe streets. Instead, our cops are hellbent on handing out bs tickets to meet quota and on harassing people, including kids, who have every right to be going about their business. These are scary times." Please expand. In California it is illegal to have the police have quotas. Several cases where officers were told by supervisors that they did not feel they issued enough citations and those officers sued and won. The police supervisors were fired. LAPD has one of the largest cases if you want to research this.
I am also not sure what you mean by "I had a child at Encinal when the car crashed into the front of school, and the driver was fortunate that the story was hushed up and no one was charged" If the police were involved their is a report and the Almanac can share it or not - I would ask them why they did not.

The challenge I see in the story is I have not read one account of anyone from the Almanac (or other media) listening to the audio and I would presume video of the incident to validate what did and did not take place. (who said what and in what context). A released audio with the name blanked out or a video with the id of the child hidden would be optimal so 'we' could collectively agree that this was helpful by the officer or not.


not_concerned
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:30 pm
not_concerned, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:30 pm

"... told me repeatedly that he could 'not comment on my parenting..."

Where is the good deed there, again?

As far as the Commander almost getting hit regularly while running, I was trying to point out how preposterous it is to project from that statement to one about the safety of a 9-year old walking home from school. If you run (or are stupid enough to ride your bicycle in) pedestrian crosswalks you should know how inherently dangerous that is.


Elena
Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Elena, Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:34 pm

The mother should have been gracious enough to thank the officer for his concern for the safety of her child. A small child, nine years old or not, whois all alone on a street is an easy target for a predator. My mother thought it was okay for me to walk home alone. More than once I had to avoid 'strange' men. On one occasion while I was waiting for a bus outside a park, a man tried to get me to show him where the gent's toilet was. I refused and he became insistent. Luckily I saw my bus through the trees (love those double-decker buses). At which point the man unzipped and urinated on the bus stop. Another time I did accept a lift from a truck driver because I was caught in a thunderstorm. Fortunately, he took me straight home. I shudder to think how that could have turned out.

NO! I do not think it was okay for my mother to let me get home alone even though I lived in a safe residential neighborhood and was a fairly savvy child.


SenioraCit
Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:39 pm
SenioraCit, Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:39 pm

The officer who gave the little boy a ride home was acting out of concern for the boy's safety. The mother who let him walk home from school alone was doing what she thought appropriate for her child's age and abilities. She knows her child. But she was not at the scene. And something about her child and the environment at the time the officer noticed the boy, compelled the officer to take protective action. Why second guess that decision? Why not be grateful for a police officer's vigilance? Since school has just started and some children are walking to and from school without supervision for the first time, moms and dads might consider occasionally shadowing their children to see that they are behaving as "maturely" as imagined and to assess the traffic conditions along the route. As someone who does a lot of walking around MP and PA, I can verify that there are many, many drivers who are oblivious to the lives of pedestrians. Little children are especially vulnerable to drivers who are speeding, texting, phoning, etc., and kids may not yet have developed all the survival tactics that we older folks employ to avoid being killed when crossing intersections in our town.


observer
Menlo Park: Downtown
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:43 pm
observer, Menlo Park: Downtown
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:43 pm

People sure can get defensive over anything. [portion removed.] Could the boy at least walk with other students?


Parent of Three
Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:52 pm
Parent of Three, Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:52 pm

To Protect and Serve

"It's a tough issue that has no right answers."

[Portion removed.] I can see from the comments in here that not everybody agrees and there is no one right answer that everybody agrees upon. Unless I'm seeing something different than you are?

"My guess is that the cops have seen so many accidents"

yes, my brother is a cop and he tells stories all the times of unfortunate, sad things that happens to kids and it does bother them. So, they are sensitive as nobody wants to see a child hurt. Also, just because an officer is working Menlo Park doesn't mean he wasn't working in East Palo Alto or Redwood City a year ago where the safety is much different for kids walking.

Well, my guess is there are more kids involved (hurt or not) in car accidents as passengers than hit by a car while walking near Encinal. Not even counting the teens from MA.

yes, I would agree with you on this fact. We are sometimes overly cautious on something that might not happen. But better safe than sorry is how I tend to operate when kids are involved.


not_concerned
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:57 pm
not_concerned, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 1:57 pm

[post removed because it's about a comment that has been removed.]


Ol' Homeboy
Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:00 pm
Ol' Homeboy, Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:00 pm

Remember the snow,
You're right, it was Sunday. That comment was totally meant to be tongue-in-cheek. The point is, the biggest change to our Menlo Park schools (public, parochial and private) is the fact that most parents today (and apparently, police) believe our children need to shlepped around in cars to every destination, whether it's school, church, sports, downtown or birthday parties. If you recall the pre-soccer days of 60's, you'll remember only a handful of parents ever attended Little League or Pop Warner games. Parents rarely went to school unless it was as volunteers or back-to-school night, an annual carnival, or you had been summoned by the principal because of some wrong doing by your kid. Today the streets near the Oak Knoll in West Menlo and near Encinal in Felton Gables are packed everyday with cars of parents dropping off or picking up children. Those old Menlo neighborhoods are changed forever.


menlo oaks resident
Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:01 pm
menlo oaks resident, Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:01 pm

All research supports that we are statistically safer today than ever before, including our children. The police officer was wrong in his actions. This is a question for the child and his parents, not the police. This article is very biased towards the police officers subjective point of view. We really need to teach our children to be safe, communicate possible dangers and then figure out as parents, when its appropriate to let our children walk home from school.


Hmmm
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:12 pm
Hmmm, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:12 pm

How did this story make the news? Who reported it to The Almanac?

Parent of Three - your comments are some of the only balanced ones in this thread. But please note: Menlo Park isn't always safe for peds. Acting like EPA is super dangerous is ridiculous. We've had our share of bad accidents, but so has Menlo - and your traffic is getting much, much worse.

I also see some of the worst driving come from parents leaving schools and parents with kids in the car.

[Portion removed. Please don't characterize the mother.] Of course Romero couldn't comment on her parenting, because he doesn't know her, nor was he citing her for anything related to her kid.

[Portion removed. Please don't speculate about this.]

Menlo Park is rapidly becoming as bad as Palo Alto in its attitude. [portion removed.]


Elena
Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:12 pm
Elena, Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:12 pm

@Observer. You are right. Even the nicest neighborhoods can attract pedophiles and worse. Even children playing in the relative safety of their front yard can be snatched in just a few seconds. Why take the risk of that happening to your child?

If you are "not_concerned" you are indeed free to put your own child at risk.


Michael G. Stogner
Registered user
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:19 pm
Michael G. Stogner, another community
Registered user
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:19 pm

When I read that a Menlo Park Police Officer stated "he could 'not comment on my parenting' " I had to smile.

Lets see if we all remember this is the Police Department that was forced to hire back the naked officer on duty with the prostitute dressed in Catsuit. This is who is going to give parenting advice.

Let the children walk.


Former Resident
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:37 pm
Former Resident, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:37 pm

When I went to Encinal School, I walked to and from school daily in the first grade.


pogo
Registered user
Woodside: other
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:40 pm
pogo, Woodside: other
Registered user
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:40 pm

If ever there were a "problem" to caricature our tony little towns...


not_concerned
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:52 pm
not_concerned, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:52 pm

That's right, Elena, keep those kids locked up safe inside.

Overprotective parents, ruining more kids than ever before!

Web Link


not _concerned
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:55 pm
not _concerned, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:55 pm

BTW, my favorite quote from that Atlantic article I linked to:

"If a mother is afraid that her child might be abducted, her ironclad rule should not be Don’t talk to strangers. It should be Don’t talk to your father."


Parent of Three
Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:57 pm
Parent of Three, Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 2:57 pm

To HMMM.

Parent of Three - your comments are some of the only balanced ones in this thread. But please note: Menlo Park isn't always safe for peds. Acting like EPA is super dangerous is ridiculous. We've had our share of bad accidents, but so has Menlo - and your traffic is getting much, much worse.

Thanks. I try to be rational :).
Actually, you are correct. I wasn't thinking about pedestrians when making the cop and kids safety comment. I was referring more to general incidents or violence involving kids and cops seeing more concern with kids out alone. I think cops from EPA or Redwood City see more overall incidents involving kids than Menlo Park and that's what I was referring to and why they could be more protective. I agree with you and think all the above mentioned areas are probably similar in pedestrian safety.


Jan Ronstadt
Menlo Park: other
on Sep 16, 2014 at 3:00 pm
Jan Ronstadt, Menlo Park: other
on Sep 16, 2014 at 3:00 pm

We have lived on Santa Cruz Avenue for 33 years and I drove my children to Oak Knoll School because the drivers would not stop for children, nor seniors, nor dog walkers, nor joggers, nor anyone. One day my neighbor and I borrowed a radar gun from the police department and stood at the crosswalk with our pen and paper in hand. The drivers looked ashamed as they slammed on their brakes. Only the fear of being caught changes their behavior.

I wholly support the police officer's actions. He knows the tragedies that occur and wanted only to protect a child, not to shame a parent. He did not want the family to learn the hard way.


matt from the block
Registered user
Atherton: West of Alameda
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:03 pm
matt from the block, Atherton: West of Alameda
Registered user
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:03 pm

Man oh man, where do I even begin? I applaud the parent for trusting and teaching her kid to be self-reliant, instead of hovering over the boy and trying to put him in a plastic bubble. Too many helicopter parents out here.

I give cops the benefit of the doubt that they are trying to be helpful, but to call Menlo Park a "high accident" zone is a joke and rings hollow. If this is all they have to worry about, then we truly are lucky to live here.


Mike Lanza
Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:08 pm
Mike Lanza, Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:08 pm

My six-year-old sometimes rides his bike home from Oak Knoll on his own. He's perfectly capable of doing so, and he relishes his freedom. His biggest fear is that some adult will yell at him for riding on his own, which happens once in a while.

Our police officers need to find more important things to do, or, we need to lay some of them off. Unfortunately, most of my other interactions with them are of a similar, harassing-rather-than-helping nature.


Nicole
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:14 pm
Nicole, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:14 pm

Just to add about the fear of kids getting abducted or pedophiles- you do realize that more kids are kidnapped or Molested by someone they know - so doesn't that actually mean kids are safer outside?

I think in the end it is the Mom's choice -she knows her kid. I would not judge her to harshly about not thanking the officer. He was telling her she was wrong in her parenting choice - so yes she might be defensive - but aren't we all when one is judging us as a parent?

SHe is not suggesting that others let their kids walk - but rather that HER kid can. Is that what we are suppose to do as parents - help them learn and grow and when they are ready support them - why would anyone decide for her that her kid can't?


Police State
Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:19 pm
Police State, Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:19 pm

Those of you making stereotypically disparaging comments about East Palo Alto: a lot of people, including young children, walk and ride bikes there. Compared to this side of the freeway, drivers in EPA are far more respectful of stop signs, red lights, and pedestrian rights-of-way. Maybe they're just not as self-important as drivers on the west side.

Also note that all the local grade schools were designed and built with the idea that children would come home for lunch. Imagine! Back in the 1960s, kids braved the wild streets of Menlo Park not once but twice every school day. [portion removed.]

[Portion removed.]


Joe
Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:43 pm
Joe, Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:43 pm

OK, the officer felt the kid was in some danger so he gave him a ride home. I guess that's understandable.

He could have asked the kid if he wanted a ride. If not, then he should have let him go on alone, especially after calling his mom and learning that she knew what her son was doing and was fine with it.

Taking him home anyway was overstepping. Did he order him into the car?

I don't get why he would find it necessary or even appropriate to say anything at all about anyone's parenting skills.

Who is he to be talking about parenting skills? "Get off my lawn!"


Neighbor from Palo Alto
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:47 pm
Neighbor from Palo Alto, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:47 pm

Does Menlo not have crossing guards at intersection close to the schools, especially Elementary? That could solve many problems - Seems to work well in Palo Alto to keep the crazy parents driving while texting, and the wreckless teens driving to high school, in check. Cars are not the only issue for little kids walking biking to school. My (walking/biking) elementary school kid has almost gotten knocked over many times, by poorly trained, law-breaking, middle school and high school cyclists who refuse to yield at stop signs...whose fault is that? Perhaps parents need to work on the other end as well and teach their kids good traffic habits to safeguard all concerned. Those kids are ticketed if a cop happens to be stationed there on that give day. Regardless, the issue is never black or white. I'd rather have an officer look out for my kid if situation warranted - he should have not made the parenting wise crack, though...


Parent
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:50 pm
Parent, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 4:50 pm

Just because a child is with a parent, doesn't mean that the parent is watching the child properly. This was the case in East Palo Alto when a child ran into a crosswalk ahead of the parent and sibling and was hit and killed. Parents are just as likely to not pay enough attention as kids when it comes to walking to school.

My kids were taught at a young age to walk by themselves. They knew that they had to stop at the curb and wait for traffic to stop before they crossed the street, even at a crosswalk and even with a crossing guard. Too many people just walk into the street expecting traffic to cross and then blame the driver if they get hit.

Personal safety is a defensive thing. Make sure you know that you are safe before putting one foot into the street, be it at a crosswalk or an intersection. My kids know this and have my trust.


parent
Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 5:57 pm
parent, Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 5:57 pm

There are no sidewalks around Encinal (Encinal Ave and Laurel St.) and pedestrians have to share the bike lane. Even if you take motorists out of the equation, a little pedestrian could get mowed down by one of the little kamikazes on bikes. Not just that, but I see bicyclists routinely darting into the road right in front of cars to get around pedestrians, other bicyclists and garbage bins. And parents bicycling with their kids are often riding right on the dividing line, so half their bodies are in the road! They are going to have to widen the roads to make sure drivers stay 3 feet away from bicyclists!


Jacquie
Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 6:26 pm
Jacquie, Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 16, 2014 at 6:26 pm

[portion removed] Something went bad in that department many years ago and many of the officers at the time rotted into arrogance, hostility, posturing, and misuse of their authority. I don't know if it's improved after a couple of police chief changes, but they are not our "friends." Even when we feel like a small town and an inter-connected community, they are not part of "us." They're "The Authority", and they can come down like a load of bricks if you don't toe their line. One of the problems of being an expensive community is that our public servants can't afford to live here, and when they feel separate or different, they are more likely to be arbitrary or heavy-handed in how they use their authority. There's also some misogyny here: it's hard to imagine an officer lecturing or judging a dad the way this guy did to a mom. [portion removed.] Definitely in need of a Professionalism Upgrade. Maybe if that cop got out of his car and walked the town, he'd be more in sync with the people who pay his salary. Lots of research to show that communities improve in many ways when cops walk a beat and get to know the citizens, get back in touch with the community they serve.


Hmmm
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 6:27 pm
Hmmm, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 6:27 pm

Parent of Three - thank you for your clarification. Romero used to be a cop here in EPA, so he likely sure saw his share of bad things.


Hmmm
another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 6:37 pm
Hmmm, another community
on Sep 16, 2014 at 6:37 pm

This is also telling - if this is all she has to be worried about, life is good - the quote is by Cortez: "Most disturbing, she said, was the officer's statement that if her son continued to walk home alone, he could not guarantee that her son would not be picked up by the police again."

It's not like he'd get arrested. If Romero's perspective is that the kid looks too young to walk by himself, it's likely other officers might agree and stop to give the kid a ride, too.

There is a lot to criticize the cops for these days, but this situation doesn't seem to be one of them.

I'll ask again: How did this become a news story?


stevlevin
Registered user
Portola Valley: Portola Valley Ranch
on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:34 pm
stevlevin, Portola Valley: Portola Valley Ranch
Registered user
on Sep 16, 2014 at 10:34 pm

Many thanks to our police officers who seek to ensure safety. I feel sad to read so many comments that express disdain, ridicule and resentment towards the police when they practice community policing. Perhaps giving a ride home in this case was or was not necessary, but I appreciate Sgt. Romero's vigilance and assistance to the vulnerable.


Alan
Registered user
Menlo Park: Belle Haven
on Sep 17, 2014 at 12:55 pm
Alan, Menlo Park: Belle Haven
Registered user
on Sep 17, 2014 at 12:55 pm

When I was a first grader - just 1 block outside of Detroit, a moderately rough neighborhood - I used to walk to school. I think a fourth grader could handle it.

Still - while the officer probably was excessively protective - no harm done. When my family moved to a sleepy village in Wisconsin, an officer once issued me a citation for not making turn signals on my bike - in the third grade. It upset me, but the town had a different mentality; the police had enough time on their hands that they could focus on this. Be happy to live in a neighborhood where the police have the leisure of paying attention to 9 year olds.

- From the rough side of the freeway.


Robert
Registered user
Menlo Park: Felton Gables
on Sep 18, 2014 at 9:18 am
Robert, Menlo Park: Felton Gables
Registered user
on Sep 18, 2014 at 9:18 am

Ironically today (9-18) NBC's Today Show had two segments dedicated to this discussion of a child walking alone. Web Link
and
Web Link


Victor B.
Registered user
Menlo Park: Sharon Heights
on Sep 18, 2014 at 10:50 pm
Victor B., Menlo Park: Sharon Heights
Registered user
on Sep 18, 2014 at 10:50 pm

While well-intentioned, the police officer's actions should have instead focused on providing streets and side walks that are safe for pedestrians and on making the kid feel empowered to walk back home alone. Yes, there are dangers and risks all over the place, but that doesn't mean that we should avoid the world and teach to have fear. Let's make our neighborhoods safer, watch out for each other, cite those who violate traffic rules, and teach our kids to be alert and aware of potential dangers.


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