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Menlo Park: Locals seek to protect vulnerable groups before Trump takes office

Councilman Mueller to raise ordinance option at Tuesday council meeting

Before President-elect Donald Trump takes office Jan. 20, some people in Menlo Park are trying to cement protections for populations that may face increased threat under Mr. Trump's proposed policies.

City Councilman Ray Mueller has asked that the City Council consider scheduling a discussion about a citywide ordinance that would prohibit any employee of the city of Menlo Park (which includes the police department) from allocating city resources or funds to intern or relocate U.S. citizens based on their religious beliefs, race, or nation of descent; or to create a registry or database of groups based on such factors.

He has drafted an ordinance but plans to work with the city attorney to iron out wording if the council supports the idea when he brings it up at the end of the Tuesday, Nov. 29, meeting.

Away from the City Council Chambers, a group of about 15 to 20 Willows residents met several weeks ago to talk about what they can do to ensure the protection of people in the region who may be threatened by Mr. Trump's proposed policies – specifically, Muslims and Latino people, according to Patrick Daly, a participant in the meeting. One resolution they agreed on was to ask the City Council to look into making Menlo Park a "Sanctuary City."

An online survey by Menlo Park resident Jen Mazzon is also being circulated to gather ideas about what measures should be included in a potential ordinance. Sanctuary cities typically offer certain protections to residents who have immigrated illegally. In many cases, they do not provide city resources or personnel toward helping federal agencies investigate residents for deportation.

Gwyn Murray, who organized the Willows neighborhood meeting, said that she got motivated to do something after working as a mentor to students in undocumented families at Menlo-Atherton High School. Those students are now in college, she said, because of policies like the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals policy, an executive order by President Barack Obama that Donald Trump could overturn.

The neighborhood group is also looking into other measures that could support "those in our community who aren't as socioeconomically advantaged" in Redwood City, East Palo Alto and eastern Menlo Park, such as a rent control policy, or organized involvement with local nonprofit organizations, Ms. Murray said. The goals, she said of their actions, are to broaden communication, show mutual support and "help people feel like maybe they're not so alone."

"I don't think this would have come up if Trump had not been elected," Mr. Daly said.

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Posted by Beth
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 28, 2016 at 12:55 pm

Nearly horrific that we need to protect those living in our town from our head of state and his appointee cabinets.

So it's time to gear up, roll up our sleeves and help one another, here and for our neighbors as well.

Could Facebook and other community businesses provide some people and monetary help, like attorney fees, etc?

God help America.


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Posted by margomca
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Nov 28, 2016 at 1:02 pm

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I didn't think there would be any up-side to the election, but isn't this amazing how people are responding??? I am in awe of folks who are addressing the issues even before January 20! Thank you and please announce your meetings on Next Door so more of us can be involved. Menlo Park can become a model city for how the citizenry might take care of its own. Even if folks can't attend the planning meetings, let us know what we can do, what are you thinking about and what help do you need? Although I have little in common with the Republican philosophy, it does seem to me that many problems can be handled more efficiently and economically at the local level and by independent, non-profit foundation groups. Local people understand local realities better as well. What's true in Menlo Park may be very different from truth in Peoria! If we donate our money to these non-profit groups, it doesn't get taxed and it doesn't support large government infrastructures. On the other hand, all groups need some kind of over-sight, which is something the state and federal government can provide---or a strong local government. I see this movement as our becoming a nation of more caring, more pro-active individuals. Yay!


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Posted by whatever
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 28, 2016 at 1:39 pm

No one should live in fear nor be discriminated against due to their race, religion,ethnicity, culture, sex, age, sexual orientation. However if you have entered the US illigally then you have broken the law. If you have committed a crime while here you've also broken the law. Just because you are here illigally does not entitle one to a free ride when it comes to the law.


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Posted by Upside
a resident of Atherton: other
on Nov 28, 2016 at 1:44 pm

To margoma, I think roughly half of those that voted think there was upside to this election. How about we see what he does first?


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Posted by Pat
a resident of Menlo Park: Suburban Park/Lorelei Manor/Flood Park Triangle
on Nov 28, 2016 at 1:46 pm

Good ideas apart from making Menlo Park a sanctuary city. People here illegally have broken the law and I can not condone that, additionally, it would mean that we would be breaking the law.


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Posted by Stop the Trolls
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2016 at 1:51 pm

Upside -- "To margoma, I think roughly half of those that voted think there was upside to this election. How about we see what he does first?"

1) Actually, less than half.

2) Given some of those he plans on appointing to Cabinet and White House staff positions, it is pretty clear that the Trump administration is much like a car driving straight off of a cliff.


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Posted by Menlo Senior Citizen
a resident of Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Nov 28, 2016 at 1:58 pm

How are these folks going to afford to live in Menlo Park when other vunerable people - our seniors who rent homes and apartments - can barely afford to live here anymore? Who is going to help this legal older citizens who should not have to live out their last years in fear of being homeless and, believe me, it's that close for many of us as working seniors who have lived here most or all of our lives regardless of color or nationality.


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Posted by inner Sanctum
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Nov 28, 2016 at 2:06 pm

Remember the serial deportee who came back to San Francisco (a sanctuary city) and killed a tourist a couple of years ago?

Menlo Park should not bite off more than they can chew.

Too bad Ray didn;t bring this up before he was safely reelected.


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Posted by Beth
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 28, 2016 at 2:07 pm

While this is an elder website, there's some helpful information for groups, individuals, anyone who wants to contact federal government people. (This article is for the expected Medicare upheaval, but has great information)

Web Link


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Posted by Beth
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 28, 2016 at 2:09 pm

Inner Sanctum: that man was mentally ill. And SF is a Sanctuary City.


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Posted by Beth
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 28, 2016 at 2:15 pm

Seriously: Vast groups of illegal immigrants are here because of the "needs to make more $" or because Americans don't do those kinds of jobs: companies, farming corporations, political plans - of politicians. I'd imagine -rump has employed many, many over the years.


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Posted by whatever
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 28, 2016 at 2:18 pm

Beth
Just because someone has a different opinion than yours is no need to call them a troll and suggest they don't live here. Inner Sanctum is not trying to disrupt the discussion by his comment but you are with your comment re his right to participate.


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Posted by Detail matter
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Nov 28, 2016 at 2:21 pm

@InnerSanctum, reading the article, it states Ray is proposing an ordinance "that would prohibit any employee of the city of Menlo Park (which includes the police department) from allocating city resources or funds to intern or relocate U.S. CITIZENS based on their religious beliefs, race, or nation of descent; or to create a registry or database of groups based on such factors."

Not sure how your point regarding a serial deportee applies to what Ray is proposing, regarding protecting the Constituonal rights of US Citizens.


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Posted by Between the Seniors
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Nov 28, 2016 at 2:26 pm

Menlo Senior Citizen: "Who is going to help this legal older citizens who should not have to live out their last years in fear of being homeless and, believe me, it's that close for many of us as working seniors who have lived here most or all of our lives regardless of color or nationality."

Paul Ryan is your man. Here to help!

By cutting Medicare. And Trump will sign off on it - he already waffled on his promise not to do so. Web Link



"Because of Obamacare, Medicare is going broke," Ryan (LIED) in an interview on Fox News on Nov. 10.
In fact, the opposite appears to be true — Obamacare actually extended the life of Medicare.

"This year's Medicare trustees report says the program would now be able to pay all its bills through 2028, a full 11 years longer than a 2009 forecast — an improvement Medicare's trustees attribute, in part, to changes in Medicare called for in the Affordable Care Act..."

Trump will cause bigger problems for seniors than any concern about immigrants. They will hide it as only effecting younger Americans, but they already based their argument on a lie, so....


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Posted by Menlo Senior Citizen
a resident of Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Nov 28, 2016 at 2:49 pm

Between the Seniors: My comment was not addressing Medicare here - that's a separate issue. My question is how can this be a sanctuary city for others when we can't even help out our own WORKING citizens, especially seniors, i.e. put some brakes on the greedy landlords who raise rents because can. Can we get some sort of "sanctuary" consideration?


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Posted by margomca
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Nov 28, 2016 at 3:07 pm

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My sense of what Ray Mueller and others are discussing is taking care of undocumented folks who already live in Menlo Park. The issue of "illegal" is very complex in my mind. The US makes it almost impossible to come here legally. In the meantime some of our policies are responsible for the horrendous conditions in Latin American especially. I wonder whether the drug cartels who terrorize ordinary citizens would be so strong if the US market for drugs weren't so strong! People don't make that dangerous trek across deserts without very good reasons. Before we condemn them for "breaking the law", perhaps we should hear their stories. I have. I know how scary it was and I know the scary conditions they were fleeing. I wouldn't leave all that is familiar to me to flee to another country without a very good reason. Ask some of these "illegals" whether they would stay if peace suddenly came to their country of origin. Many would happily return home if it felt safe. On the other hand, for younger people who were born here, they have no ties to the country of their family. I believe this is not a time to be strong law and order folks. I think this is a time for heart. We're not talking about bad people. Most of the immigrants work hard, pay taxes (if they can) and obey the law. They just want to be safe, just like you and me. Unless you are a native American, your family too, immigrated here, often fleeing hardship and often coming under terrible conditions. How soon we forget.


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Posted by gordyvon
a resident of another community
on Nov 28, 2016 at 4:20 pm

Oh great, a new Peoples Republic of Menlo Park. Sanctuary City can't be far behind...


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Posted by I didn't know that
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 28, 2016 at 4:44 pm

@ margomca

You write "the issue of 'illegal' is very complex..." While that may be true the term 'illegal' is very straightforward. In the United States of America it means that one is in the Country ILLEGALLY. It's pretty black and white. The fact that the United States makes it difficult to immigrate is because we are a great country and if it were easy we would have far too many people arriving every day. And because it's difficult, and because we are a great Country, many people break the law to get here. That doesn't mean we should open our borders.

You also comment "Before we condemn them for "breaking the law", perhaps we should hear their stories. I have. I know how scary it was and I know the scary conditions they were fleeing." I'm sure you've heard horrible stories and I'm also sure these people were fleeing scary conditions. It's just economically impossible for the United States of America to welcome everyone in the world that has a scary story that they are fleeing from. And despite your quotes around the words "breaking the law" that's exactly what they are doing.

Lets take care of all of the folks that are in our country legally before we allow more illegal immigration. We simply cannot afford to do it any other way.


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Posted by concerned
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 28, 2016 at 5:12 pm

I am totally amazed by how many people feel that only laws they approve of should be obeyed. If someone feels that laws in place regarding immigration should not be obeyed they should work to change the law. The President no matter who that may be does not make the laws but they are required to see that the laws of the land are obeyed.

What a country we would be is citizens chose what laws to obey.


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Posted by Really?
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Nov 28, 2016 at 6:39 pm

Funny how everyone complains about the "illegals" being here and breaking the law, when I would predict about 90% of you (in MP and Atherton) employ some of those illegals, and even entrust them with your kids.

So are you all going to start doing your lawns, trimming your trees, etc?


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Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Nov 28, 2016 at 6:50 pm

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Guess what Really?? There are people in this country that would do those jobs if they actually paid what they were worth. I don't know how old you are, but I can think back to a time when landscaping and the building trades weren't dominated by hispanics. It only became that way becasue of our reluctance to deal seriously with the illegal immigration problem and our unwillingness to pay a wage that was deserved for the work performed. Illegal immigration has totally suppressed wages and wage growth in a variety of occupations in this country and particularly in this area.

Neither the republicans nor democrats want to honestly deal with the problem because, bottom line, financially both sides benefit from illegal immigration. Do you think if all these folks unionized wages wouldn't go up? But they won't because many of them are illegals and can't or are afraid to do so.


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Posted by Beth
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 28, 2016 at 9:28 pm

Menlo voter: You are certainly aware that it's the corporations that wanted illegals to enter this country? It didn't occur to the illegals without that incentive and assurance of a job. Please, look beyond your preconceived ideas often rooted in the past. Yes?

Without that, they would have nothing to come for. Why do people equate the power of elite corporations with the attraction/fear/illusions of a parent?


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on Nov 28, 2016 at 9:45 pm

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I've never understood why people insist it has to be one cause and not another. Did it ever occur to you that there can be more than one factor?

I'm sure corporations want cheap labor. But I'm equally sure that people illegally cross our borders and illegally overstay visas because they seek better lives and have little fear of being caught.

A country can have attractive benefits such as free healthcare, free education, welfare, food stamps, housing, etc. A country can also have open borders. But a country cannot have both ... at least not for long.


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Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Nov 28, 2016 at 10:07 pm

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Beth:

excuse me, but the vast majority of companies in the building trades and landscaping are not "large corporations." Sure there are some, "large corporations" using illegal labor, but I guarantee you, it is not the majority. If we TRULY wanted to do something about illegal immigration in this country we would remove the "magnet," JOBS. If employers were punished for employing illegals with LARGE fines for doing so, I can guarantee you those jobs would dry up and those employers would start paying a decent wage for the work. As long as there is a steady supply of cheap labor and a government that is unwilling to do anything about it we will continue to have illegal immigration and wage suppression. Seriously, it's simple economics and politics.


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Posted by No Sanctuary
a resident of Menlo Park: Stanford Weekend Acres
on Nov 29, 2016 at 10:58 am

All for making Menlo Park tolerant of minorities (ethnic and religious). However, declaring Menlo Park a sanctuary city would be a huge mistake. It sends the wrong message regarding rule of law, and that is unacceptable. The world will not end over the next four years, so stop acting pursuing crazy policies that may negatively impact the city over the long-term.


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Posted by Robert
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Nov 29, 2016 at 1:51 pm

Remember what Obama famously stated " Elections have consequences" and I agree why don't we see what happens? I felt the same way with the Obama appointees? and please use all additional tax dollars and resources for our own poverty stricken US citizens and veterans and labeling Menlo Park a sanctuary city? is a really bad idea and for the record I'm not a bigot or racist just a concerned citizen with a different opinion.


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Posted by RabbleRouser
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Nov 29, 2016 at 10:28 pm

I think it is important to note that our neighborhood group is focused on several initiatives: one of them being exploring rent control initiatives aimed not just at undocumented families, and city workers, but also at seniors and other folks that are at risk of not being able to continue to live in the same place where they have been resident for many years. At this point, I am not swayed one way or another on that issue: I do think we should explore it and understand the alternatives.

As for sanctuary city initiatives: I believe it is important that we pursue these throughout the Bay Area and California. Aside from the fact that we are talking about protecting core members of our community -- and the children who know the US and the Bay Area as their only home -- the Silicon Valley economy cannot survive without those who are willing to work at below market wages (do we really think that those with full work visas are?) to perform the tasks that no one else is willing to do and that we NEED done: cleaning houses and offices, constructing our homes and offices, tending to our gardens and landscapes -- all while trying to create a better life for their children so that their children will not have to do the same. This is the history of immigration in the U.S., and it is what has made this country, and its economies, possible. Let's not begrudge others what our own predecessors had. Let's share the wealth and the opportunity, please.


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Posted by Westbrook
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Nov 29, 2016 at 11:07 pm

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There are 7.4 Billion people in the world,

If 5 % of them want to come to the U.S. that's 370,000,000 people. More than our total population.

The actual # is higher than that but lets cut it in half and say 2.5% that equals 185,000,000 people,

Let's reduce it to 1% that's 74 million people. Who decides which ones of the 1% gets in, you Mr. Muller?

I suggest those of you that want to start a list or a petition when you put your name on it, include your address and how many you are willing to put up in your home and your ability to feed and clothe them, along with medical and schooling.

This is a ridiculous, naive plan, It may make you feel good, but until I see people step up and sign up and commit you are just making yourself feel warm and fuzzy.




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Posted by read the article
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Nov 29, 2016 at 11:15 pm

@Westbrook, Mueller has not proposed a sanctuary city. He proposed a prohibition on city employees cooperating with a national registry for us citizens on the basis of their religious faiths.


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Posted by Westbrook
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Nov 29, 2016 at 11:33 pm

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When the people sleeping in the street and families living in cars, without regular meals, clothing, or medical care,
get these necessties met, ask me about dedicating resources for illegal aliens.

Also these naive proposals would attract people looking for sanctuary, Are you willing to put them up and pay their expenses.

Let me know when you sign up.


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Posted by Kpi
a resident of Menlo Park: Menlo Oaks
on Nov 30, 2016 at 6:22 am

Anyone who thinks that all civil laws should be obeyed must not have been in support of the civil rights movement--or have thought about the difference between law and justice, a la MLK Jr. Law and justice aren't the same thing. And what DOES justice look like for a twenty year old who was brought to this country when she/he was six months old? Did those people break any laws?

Life is usually far more complicated than we have a tendency to make it out to be, and nowhere is this more true than in the immigration debate. I like to think that Menlo Park is a thoughtful and compassionate place to be and live, and I hope we can make it this way, in the face of the hate-filled rhetoric that characterizes so much of our national conversation right now. Kudos to those in Menlo, including Mueller, who are working to keep our community from mirroring that hate.


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Posted by Lois
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Nov 30, 2016 at 6:54 am

As a resident of Menlo Park for over 30 years, it's interesting to see the covert biases of our neighbors become exposed in this election. Unless you're one of the indigenous (Native Americans) don't you "Americans" know we are ALL here "illegally"! Learn your history, America, please. *Check out Oliver Stone's Untold Stories of US History on Netflix or in the bookstore.

Furthermore, the mayor's proposal for not allocating resources is fair for all residents. You can then use those resources to continually improve quality of life in the city of Menlo Park (i.e. programs that help protect seniors, rent control, labor unions, etc.).


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Posted by Nancy W.
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Nov 30, 2016 at 7:53 am

I am reassured to see so many compassionate sensible people uniting to oppose the President Elect's policies (and those of his appointees). Our community will be safer and stronger by working to ensure that all people living here are respected, have access to affordable housing, good public schools and employment opportunities. Children who play with our children and attend our schools should not be living in fear of being separated from their families. The California Dream Act offer these children sanctuary- and should continue to allow them to feel welcome in our community. The Bay Area is a unique and special place, let's continue to make this a desirable place to live for people of all races, ethnicities, religions, sexual orientation and gender identity by standing up to the bigotry and hate. Just yesterday I spoke to two different families who moved here for work who were already making plans to move out of the country because they are fearful a Trump regime will bring discrimination and hate crimes. One family moved here from Germany and was planning on moving back home. THe other family was of Indian descent and was considering a move to New Zealand. WHat they had in common was both did not want to raise their children in a xenophobic America. both are also Stanford professors.


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Posted by Nancy W
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Nov 30, 2016 at 8:21 am

SF Board of Supervisors passed this resolution, and Menlo Park should do the same

WHEREAS, On November 8, 2016, Donald Trump was elected to become the 45th President of the United States; now, therefore, be it

RESOLVED, That no matter the threats made by President-elect Trump, San Francisco will remain a Sanctuary City. We will not turn our back on the men and women from other countries who help make this city great, and who represent over one third of our population. This is the Golden Gate-we build bridges, not walls; and, be it

FURTHER RESOLVED, That we will never back down on women’s rights, whether in healthcare, the workplace, or any other area threatened by a man who treats women as obstacles to be demeaned or objects to be assaulted. And just as important, we will ensure our young girls grow up with role models who show them they can be or do anything; and, be it

FURTHER RESOLVED, That there will be no conversion therapy, no withdrawal of rights in San Francisco. We began hosting gay weddings twelve years ago, and we are not stopping now. And to all the LGBTQ people all over the country who feel scared, bullied, or alone: You matter. You are seen; you are loved; and San Francisco will never stop fighting for you; and, be it

FURTHER RESOLVED, That we still believe in this nation’s founding principle of religious freedom. We do not ban people for their faith. And the only lists we keep are on invitations to come pray together; and, be it

FURTHER RESOLVED, That Black Lives Matter in San Francisco, even if they may not in the White House. And guided by President Obama’s Task Force on 21st Century Policing, we will continue reforming our police department and rebuilding trust between police and communities of color so all citizens feel safe in their neighborhoods; and, be it

FURTHER RESOLVED, That climate change is not a hoax, or a plot by the Chinese. In this city, surrounded by water on three sides, science matters. And we will continue our work on CleanPower, Zero Waste, and everything else we are doing to protect future generations; and, be it

FURTHER RESOLVED, That we have been providing universal health care in this city for nearly a decade, and if the new administration follows through on its callous promise to revoke health insurance from 20 million people, San Franciscans will be protected; and, be it

FURTHER RESOLVED, That we are the birthplace of the United Nations, a city made stronger by the thousands of international visitors we welcome every day. We will remain committed to internationalism and to our friends and allies around the world-whether the administration in Washington is or not; and, be it

FURTHER RESOLVED, That San Francisco will remain a Transit First city and will continue building Muni and BART systems we can all rely upon, whether this administration follows through on its platform to eliminate federal transit funding or not; and, be it

The San Francisco Board of Supervisors is determined to maintain the safety and values of the city.

FURTHER RESOLVED, That California is the sixth largest economy in the world. The Bay Area is the innovation capital of the country. We will not be bullied by threats to revoke our federal funding, nor will we sacrifice our values or members of our community for your dollar; and, be it

FURTHER RESOLVED, That we condemn all hate crimes and hate speech perpetrated in this election’s wake. That although the United States will soon have a President who has demonstrated a lack of respect for the values we hold in the highest regard in San Francisco, it cannot change who we are, and it will never change our values. We argue, we campaign, we debate vigorously within San Francisco, but on these points we are 100 percent united. We will fight discrimination and recklessness in all its forms. We are one City. And we will move forward together.


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on Nov 30, 2016 at 9:51 am

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That resolution won Democrats 232 votes in the electoral college and will win San Francisco even less federal funding during the next four to eight years.

If states, counties and cities can ignore federal law, imagine where we would end up.


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Posted by numbers_do_not_lie
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 30, 2016 at 12:48 pm

For those of you who believed any politician that Medicare would not have to be seriously revamped with the upcoming "Silver Tsunami", you were being delusional.

The good news for most is that outside of being stricken with random acts of fate (cancer, trauma, acute medical emergencies), your health is much more in your hands than inside a pill bottle, hospital, or CT scanner.

It's never too late to change your habits and embrace something better.


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Posted by Between the Seniors
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Nov 30, 2016 at 1:29 pm

"For those of you who believed any politician that Medicare would not have to be seriously revamped with the upcoming "Silver Tsunami", you were being delusional."

Really?

"Because of Obamacare, Medicare is going broke," Ryan (LIED) in an interview on Fox News on Nov. 10." In fact, the opposite appears to be true — Obamacare actually extended the life of Medicare.

"This year's Medicare trustees report says the program would now be able to pay all its bills through 2028, a full 11 years longer than a 2009 forecast — an improvement Medicare's trustees attribute, in part, to changes in Medicare called for in the Affordable Care Act..."

****

Now, for those that seek to hyperbolically label the gradual and well documented aging of our population as some sudden, unforeseen, omigosh tsunami (!) take a closer look at the the real danger to those identified in the topic line of this post: "seeking ways to protect vulnerable groups" - allow me to posit that the vulnerable groups are Low-Wage Earners and Seniors. Both will be attacked by Mike Pence, Tom Price and Paul Ryan when they pursue slashing Medicaid and privatizing Medicare with the Paul Ryan Medicare Phaseout.

By the middle of next year, close to 30 million Americans will have health coverage because of obamacare - picture when they are removed, the strain on our health networks.

Now imagine the Paul Ryan Medicare Phaseout, which will privatize Medicare as we know it. Seniors will have to then go out into the private insurance marketplace and buy insurance, with a small Medicare 'stipend' to 'help.' What do you think the for-profit insurance companies will tell Grandma and Grandpa about their rates?

Their previous conditions?

Their lifetime caps?

Their annual caps?

Would you, as a private insurer, choose to cover old folks?

Would you cover a cancer survivor?

If so, how astronomical would your rates be to cover such risk?

When you hear the Paul Ryan Medicare Phaseout will "reform" or "strengthen" Medicare, think of yourself and the seniors and near-seniors in your family.

Remember 2011 myth - Death Panels?

"seeking ways to protect vulnerable groups" - fight for their basic healthcare. Fight for the economic well being or your family and descendants. Fight for Medicare.


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Posted by Street
a resident of Atherton: other
on Nov 30, 2016 at 2:27 pm

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Read the above. There's your vulnerable groups under attack.

+1


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on Nov 30, 2016 at 2:34 pm

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"This year's Medicare trustees report says the program would now be able to pay all its bills through 2028..."

Wow. One of our largest programs and it's gonna be okay for 11 more years. I'm sure everyone under 55 years old is celebrating.

And as interest rates go up and Medicaid and Obamacare (that add dollars to Medicare) continue their downward spiral, I'm sure that 11 year projection will be adjusted... and not for the better.


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Posted by Street
a resident of Atherton: other
on Nov 30, 2016 at 3:01 pm

Huh?

Is that what you said 5 years ago about medicare and obamacare?

Cuz you were wrong.

"This year's Medicare trustees report says the program would now be able to pay all its bills through 2028, a full 11 years longer than a 2009 forecast — an improvement Medicare's trustees attribute, in part, to changes in Medicare called for in the Affordable Care Act."


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on Nov 30, 2016 at 3:30 pm

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Solvency for the next 11 years is hardly a comforting hallmark for our country's largest and costliest health program.


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of another community
on Nov 30, 2016 at 4:52 pm

Regarding the community group that met: Who in the vulnerable populations have they invited to speak with and learn from about the issues these groups may be facing?


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Posted by Hmmm
a resident of another community
on Nov 30, 2016 at 5:01 pm

Btw East Palo Alto has not just a rent control ordinance, but additional protections for tenants. The ordinance doesn't apply to single family dwellings. There are several expert groups in the Bay Area that are up in state law that shapes all rent control ordinances.

There's also the issue of tenants in cities on the Mid-Peninsula living in subpar structures, many of which aren't up to code. These people get evicted when their landlords don't make necessary improvements. Some of these tenants end up in the street or living in their cars.

For the senior citizen complaining in this thread - why haven't you checked out the resources designed for you? If your needs aren't being addressed with things as is, they certainly won't magically be addressed by you complaining here. Do something about it. Your elected leaders are accountable to you, too.


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Posted by Wondering
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Nov 30, 2016 at 6:28 pm

Just re-read the article above. I understand that the proposed ordinance protects US CITIZENS from things that pretty much ALL of us expect and have taken for granted. One of the things I love about my years in California is how I have met, worked, played, and generally enjoyed many times with people of all colors and literally dozens of nationalities and religions. And I married an immigrant who came here for work, eventually found a legal way to stay here, and is now a US citizen.

I understand how Muslims would be concerned about the rights listed, based on the political rhetoric. However, I don't fully understand why any other legal US citizen is concerned. Maybe somebody can enlighten me on that.

As for the idea of Menlo Park as a sanctuary city, or Sanctuary Silicon Valley, as proposed on the linked survey, sorry I absolutely do NOT support this. We can and should find ways for people to LEGALLY immigrate to the US. If you are worried for yourself or your friends, work to improve the immigration system and laws. Do NOT invite trouble by going around the laws. That is just the thin edge of a wedge.

If Ray M. or the Willow citizens or others want to propose sanctuary cities here, I would expect that we all have a chance to discuss, debate, and VOTE on any such proposals. And I will be honest, in this area, I actually would not feel safe talking about opposing it in public. That is sad, but true. I am an independent voter - agree with both blue and red on SOME things, disagree with blue and red on other things.

Also, note that the "survey" on Sanctuary Silicon Valley is not exactly scientific. In order for a vote to be counted, you must provide your name, email, zip code. For that reason, my vote of NO won't be counted there.


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Posted by Plus and Minus 1s
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Nov 30, 2016 at 6:52 pm

No Sanctuary if I could vote 2x for your comment, I would.

Nancy W if there were a -1, that's for you. Really, really bad idea.


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Posted by Rakava
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Nov 30, 2016 at 7:42 pm

Two things.

FpIllegal immigrants are here illegally. They should not have access to anything funded by tax payer dollars nor should they be hidden from law enforcement. This is especially true when they have committed a crime.

Secondly, there was an article about this group in the Merccury News that more or less implied that the great white liberals of the Willows must help the poor illegal Hispanics of East Palo Alto (pause)and even Menlo Park because gasp we have Hispanics in Menlo Park - oh my!

The condescension in what some of these people say is galling. The fact that these great white liberals believe every Hispanic in the Peninsula is illegal and needs to be rescued is highly offensive.

There area Hispanics in Menlo Park. There may even be some in Atherton and Palo Alto. Some of us even have Masters Degrees and great grandparents who came here legally.

The only people I've seen in the Bay Area using Food Stamps and WiC coupons are Asian. Do they not need your help?

All I ask is that you listen to yourselves and not stereotype. This elitism and condescension along with these ridiculous Sanctuary Cities are the main reasons Trump won the election.

--- this was written on an iphone please excuse any typographical errors


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of another community
on Nov 30, 2016 at 11:55 pm

To those Republicans who keep pushing this false equivalency that,
to them, Obama was as bad as Trump is to current Democrats, there
is simply no argument to be made along these lines.

Obama was highly conciliatory and bi-partisan, he bent over backwards
to to maintain continuity and to work with Republicans - even when he
had both houses of Congress.

What we are seeing from Trump is nothing like that, particularly in his
hustling in of far-right Republicans that had been specifically rejected
by voters, such as Guilianni, Huckabee, and even Romney ... otherwise
know as the swamp. Quite a few of Obama's advisors were even
holdovers from the Bush administration.

Obama did not put out daily sound bytes of ignorance and absurdity.

To Republicans and swing voters who put this guy in office, you know
this to be true, yet somehow you think taking an unjustified hard right
turn when Trump did not even win the popular vote, not to mention his
daily character and leadership malfunctions ... to compare Trump with
Obama is absurd and completely unwarranted. The purpose of such
statements can only be to allay the fears that many Americans have
about Trump but are hesitant to express them because it seems so odd
to be happening in America and try to get people to accept date rape
as some kind of honeymoon.


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Posted by Westbrook
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Dec 1, 2016 at 1:35 am

Westbrook is a registered user.


And you can thank Jill Stein for losing. Had she endorsed Hilliary even at the end Clinton would have won.

With the recount all Hilliary supporters and Hilliary herself get to relive the whole thing again.

It's like groundhogs day,

and you can thank Jill Stein again.

I hope you can take it better this time.


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Posted by The Onion
a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Dec 1, 2016 at 2:48 am

"Obama was highly conciliatory and bi-partisan, he bent over backwards
to to maintain continuity and to work with Republicans - even when he
had both houses of Congress."

How quickly we forget. Obama's first meeting with the Republican leadership was infamous for setting the stage for the divisiveness and stalemate that would define his presidency (the executive order administration, easily erased). Heh.

This first meeting featured "Elections have consequences", "I won", and treatment worthy of "its my way or the highway". These bon mots are his legacy, and will be oft quoted in the coming months, served along with the elimination of the filibuster (the nuclear option) for Presidential nominations, which the Democrats instituted when they were in the Senate Majority three years ago.

Yet CrescentParkAnon chooses to believe in an alternate reality. Obama was political herpes, in that he is forever. He will be the gift that keeps on giving to Republicans, by feeding the fires of political and racial divisiveness thanks to easily accessible Youtube videos and news accounts of his actions.

Reading CrescentParkAnon is like reading the Onion.

Let the link below refresh your memory of what really happened from the start of the Obama administration. You reap what you sow.

And as Westbrook wrote, "I hope you can take it better this time"


Web Link


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Posted by CrescentParkAnon.
a resident of another community
on Dec 1, 2016 at 3:49 am

Onion ... your link is an opinion piece from a right-wing website ... or what we call these days FAKE NEWS.

The joke of the day at that time for the Democrats was that if you wanted a meeting with Obama you'd better switch parties.


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Posted by The Onion
a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Dec 1, 2016 at 5:02 am

Ah yes, if you want to link to real news, you have to link to YOUR newspapers. If you want fake news, here's a link for you:

Web Link

Lets dispense with the Obama the great reconciliator myth. He was the great divider. Or are you about to wax smoothly about all that racial healing that occurred during the Obam administration. Heh.

If you want Obama quotes, here's another:

Web Link




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Posted by Nancy W.
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Dec 1, 2016 at 7:52 am

Fact: post election hate crimes are on the rise in the wake of Trump's rise to power.. And community members are coming together to provide support and resources to those who are feeling the effects and will continue to be targeted. it's time to speak out and take action.
First they came..
Web Link


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Posted by The Onion
a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Dec 1, 2016 at 11:23 am

There is no Post Trump rise in so called hate crimes. There is simply, and justifiably an increased awareness of crimes that involve minorities. There is however a substantial increase in faked hate crimes, and these cretins should most certainly be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Our discredited mainstream media (Madam President indeed) are working overtime to exploit every so called incident. Readers need to be very discriminating these days on where they get their information. As the election showed, the media is very misleading, and many journalists are simply DNC operatives with bylines.

Strongman take power in 3d world countries. Its called the presidential transition and inauguration in the US.

Web Link


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Posted by Between the Seniors
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Dec 1, 2016 at 11:50 am

"There is no Post Trump rise in so called hate crimes. There is simply, and justifiably an increased awareness of crimes that involve minorities." Nice. Nothing to see here, move on. [Part removed.]

"There is no Post Trump rise in so called hate crimes. There is simply, and justifiably an increased awareness of crimes that involve minorities." Prove it. Without your silly sources above (Dennis Prager radio?!?)

SPLC: 867 hate incidents in ten days after election. Prove that these incidents are not extraordinary.


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on Dec 1, 2016 at 2:56 pm

pogo is a registered user.

"In fact, it’s much easier to find examples of violence against students who have openly backed Trump..."

Web Link


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