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Debbie Mendelson bought her home on Sheridan Way in Woodside more than 30 years ago, but she says it wasn’t until after she moved in that she discovered she had a large and noisy next-door neighbor in the Menlo Country Club.

Mendelson’s house is uphill from the country club’s swimming pool, and her own swimming pool is level with club’s pool, which is about 70 feet away from the property line.

“I didn’t know their pool was there until I was sitting by my pool right after I moved in and heard a gun go off,” she said. “It was the starter pistol for a race at a swim meet.”

That was just the beginning, Mendelson said.

In the intervening years, she and her husband, Kevin Greenwood, say they have been overwhelmed by a barrage of noise from the swim meets and from amplified music generated by wedding parties and other social events held in the pool area.

They say they have dealt with the situation by keeping their windows closed during the summer when the noise is highest and by refraining from entertaining by their pool when an event is in progress.

Disclosure of the noise conditions wasn’t required at the time she bought the house, Mendelson said.

“If we have the windows open in the house, we can’t hear our TV,” she said.

Things came to a head earlier this year when the country club announced it was planning to tear down its main clubhouse, built in 1917, because of seismic concerns and replace it with a new structure, according to the staff report on the project.

At the same time, the club revealed plans to remove the one-story pool house and replace it with a two-story pool house and fitness center that would make the pool area even more attractive for noise-generating events.

The Woodside Planning Commission approved the remodeling with the stipulation that a maximum of 20 events and five swim meets be allowed in the pool and fitness center area per year.

Frustrated, Mendelson and Greenwood joined neighbor Dave Burow in filing appeals to the Town Council, arguing that upper limits on noise should be imposed along with the limits on the number of noise-generating events at the pool.

Mendelson, Greenwood and Burow, were backed by about 30 neighbors in their Woodside Hills neighborhood, who filed a petition and sent letters to the planning department, said Woodside Planning Director Jackie Young.

The neighbors asked the council to impose the same noise regulations that had been previously applied to the Mounted Patrol of San Mateo County at its rodeo grounds on Kings Mountain Road, Mendelson said.

That rodeo grounds agreement limited the Mounted Patrol to 19 events a year, with five of the events limited to two hours in length with a maximum noise level of 55 dB averaged over an hour at the property line at all the events.

However, at the Aug. 6 Town Council hearing on the appeals that went on for four hours, the council essentially ratified the Planning Commission’s decision, allowing the club to hold 25 events per year at the pool, including five swim meets.

It also set noise limits for the first time, but it agreed to noise levels much higher than those that were imposed on the Mounted Patrol grounds, with a maximum of 65 dB averaged over an hour at the property line with an 85 dB peak.

A 10 dB increase is equivalent to twice the noise.

Menlo Country Club is required to monitor the sound at the 25 events at the pool and fitness facility for first 12 months that the new facility will be operating.

Mendelson and Greenwood were horrified at the outcome.

“I am in disbelief,” Mendelson said. “They got everything they needed and wanted to do.”

Woodside, unlike neighboring Atherton, Menlo Park and Portola Valley, doesn’t have a townwide noise ordinance, but would establishing one make it easier to settle such disputes?

It wouldn’t necessarily make a difference if the conflict is between homeowners and a commercial use, according to Young.

The town “is looking at each conditional use permit based on what the operational characteristics of the commercial business are,” Young said. “It isn’t that every use permit has the same conditions.”

The noise rules about the Mounted Patrol grounds were based on the conditional use permit for a rodeo grounds and horse stables, whereas the Menlo Country Club is and has been hosting parties and swim meets at its pool, Young said.

The council also took into consideration opinion within the Woodside Hills community, which wasn’t unanimous about noise rules being applied to the club in the first place, Young said.

“Two-thirds of the letters we received asked for noise conditions and a third supported the club’s position,” Young said. “The council did apply noise conditions that didn’t previously exist.”

Mendelson and Greenwood say they are resigned to the council’s decision, but going forward they say they’re concerned that the council failed to grant them a recourse if Menlo Country Club violates the new rules.

“There’s no teeth in this,” Greenwood said. “Nothing says to them that ‘if you violate this, X will happen.'”

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15 Comments

  1. Oh brother!!!! This is like the people who buy a home near a school/airport/train/etc…then complain about the noise!!! Get a grip on reality!! You KNEW where you bought!!!

  2. Isn’t it likely that the # of events/meets has increased over the years? Replacing a one story building with a bigger 2 story building will certainly change the volume. If the 2 story building is set between the pool and Sheridan Way, and has no windows on the side facing Sheridan Way, the building may block sounds from the pool & bounce it toward 280 instead.

    Sounds waves bounce. A new 2 story spec house built next door to me where all the other homes were single story, enabled several of us to suddenly hear traffic noises from Santa Cruz Ave that we’d never heard in the previous 20 years. Weather changes the sounds waves too. During winter, overcast damp weather (not even raining) weather, I cannot hear CalTrain but I do hear it in warm dry weather, even with windows closed.

    Woodside Hills neighbors who support the club may not in the sound path or may be club members. Their properties may not abut the pool/entertainment area of the Club either. Unless home buyers 30 years ago toured the Club grounds or were at the home during a pistol-started track meet, they’d have had no way of knowing about the noise if the owner or agent didn’t tell them. What are the chances MCC lets prospective neighbors come in & tour the place?

    I think the Planning Commission & Town Council blew it on this call.

  3. I feel for the neighbors about this change. The couple has been living there 30 years. They did not know that there would be so much sound from the country club. To all the people that responded above, how would you feel if it was your home?

  4. “laughing” is spewing out the most tired and trite line in the book. “…people who buy a home near a school/airport/train/etc…then complain about the noise!!! Get a grip on reality!! You KNEW where you bought!!!”. Anyone who has lived in this area for long knows a huge amount can change in 30 years. Who can predict what any institution will do in 30 years? Rather than assume these neighbors are foolish, maybe the Town and the Club could do the right thing and work with the neighbors to mitigate the impact of the Clubs remodel. Sometimes it takes the prevailing government entity to give a little push to make this process work. Too bad the Woodside Town Council whiffed on this one.

  5. Let’s face it, the Bay Area and noise pollution are nothing close to what was here 30 years ago. Sheridan Way also gets to enjoy the incessant noise from Woodside High School’s football field–rented out to screaming crowds and their play-by-play announcements most weekends. Woodside Road has 50 times the volume of traffic compared to 30 years ago, as does the 280 freeway–a constant drone 24/7–which also divides Woodside Hills from the downtown. Aircraft noise above is nearly continuous with jetliners on their approach flight paths and flight instructors choosing Woodside Hills as their designated practice area for single engine stalls and turns every Saturday and Sunday.

    For me it’s all more tolerable than the yappy dog living next door with an owner who does nothing night or day.

  6. Then move.

    Yes, things tend to get more crowded over time than less crowded. And more noisy than less noisy. If you don’t like the changes, THEN MOVE. Very simple. I think if you look at the outskirts of La Honda, or maybe some of the back roads of Pescadero, you might find the peace and quiet you are looking for, for now at least. But who knows what might be the case in ten years when these areas become more populated.

  7. How one-sided. No comment from Menlo? The school is super loud too, no comment on that. And glossing over the rules not previously in place now enacted? What was Menlo’s use permit before? How much did it expand? Are we to believe Menlo is making no effort to work with the residents? The article seems to suggest as much. Menlo has been there basically forever and the home owners expect Menlo to modify their usage because they (now) have a neighbor that is unhappy. Maybe that is unfair.. but should Menlo be precluded from using its property? 5 meet days and MAYBE 20 other events doesn’t seem like a lot for a business. I host more parties than that. Council also seems open to reviewing the ruling in 12 months, so residents should make their case there and then not here where it sounds like, dare I say, sour grapes.

  8. Most concerning in this article is the decibel level approved. Council member Sean Scott recommended an 85 decibel maximum sound level. A quick search will find that “a decibel level of 85 can cause permanent damage to the inner ear leading to hearing loss.” Children can be especially harmed by this decibel level. Sadly, one must conclude that Woodside Town Council member Sean Scott is not concerned about the people of Woodside or our children.

  9. 85 db is the equivalent of passing traffic…with a safe exposure for 8 hours. So unless junior is sticking his head IN traffic…he will be just fine!! Jeez!!! You people are incredible!!! You could be listening to gunshots and screaming sirens. Enjoy the sound of people competing in fun sporting events and having fun at Country Clubs swimming in pools. This is just hilarious!!!!!!!!!

  10. I don’t complain about utter nonsense…I fly on planes, I drive a car, I ride trains, etc….What I am not is a HYPOCRITE. Do as we say not as we do. Guess what?? With life comes noise. If you want silence…go live somewhere that is so rural that you won’t be bothered. Then while you are at it, please do not do anything that may make a noise that might upset someone. This is a total joke. Most of those Uber rich Woodside people fly in and out of the Bay Area in private…noisy…Jets

  11. @Laughing
    You may not be a hypocrite, and that’s great. But your approach of laughing at others who don’t share your views is more than a little condescending. Perhaps if you opened your mind and your heart a little the world might see the real you, one that’s a lot more gracious than what you are presenting in this forum. The world needs more understanding and care of fellow humans, not insecure angry bluster.

  12. Seriously???? How can you not laugh!!! People complaining about “noise” from a Country Club…during reasonable hours!!! That is rich…literally!!!! This is a waste of tax payer dollars, City Counsel time and resources!!!! This is beyond pathetic and if laughing is what it takes to stomach it…so be it!!!!!! Find a real topic…homelessness, illegal drug addiction, crime , the lack of affordable housing for people who make a decent living….then we can talk. In the mean time…enough of this privileged nonsense about “noise” coming from a Country Club!!!!!!!

  13. I live in La Honda (and often wonder why La Honda is not one of the options when selecting neighborhoods on this forum, BTW.) It is not quiet in La Honda. Every weekend when the motorcycles and car racers come out here, it is very, very loud. And we’re on the flight path to SFO, and we have Life Flight, Coast Guard and other helicopters, private planes, chickens, barking dogs, logging trucks, lots of beach traffic, music at Apple Jacks or Play Bowl, etc. It is not like living by the railroad tracks or 280, but I definitely chuckled when someone on this forum suggested that La Honda was quiet…

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