Go Pension Initiative! Go! Go! Go!

Go pension initiative!!!

If the residents of Menlo Park cannot have a say in how their city is run and whether it goes bankrupt because of unrealistic and expensive union contracts--then who can ever govern this city--the unions?!? It is time that the people of Menlo Park take back the reigns of government and stop this insane spending. Go Pension Initiative!!!!

This just goes to show how far out of touch the SEIU is with reality.

Legalities aside, to issue a press release that says that taxpayers should not have any say in their pensions is ridiculous.

It's time that the city council listened to the public and took some initiative on pension reforms.

To have union officials negotiate a pension plan that allows an employee to retire at age 50, at 90% of their salary, for the rest of their lives, from my perspective, should be "illegal" Ms. McAleavey. You should be embarrassed at the amount of money your union has "stolen" from tax paying citizens, shame on you! Under funded schools, underfunded parks, underfunded infrastructure, etc. but OVER funded retirees, is shameful!

I hate that unions are getting such bad press for protecting the large numbers of workers, while the few elite who feel entitled to bankrupt the citys retirement funds go scott free. Calpers, their retirement program is underfunded by $500 million, who has been dipping into that fund?

It is the same with all these corporations where CEO's hack everyones paycheck to pad their own, with MILLIONS, and the Union gets the bad press for fighting it? WTH????

Good "emme". I know you are a union plant! Get real. The State is going broke because of run-away public employee pension costs. And, what do the unions always say -- "It's not our fault!". Grow up.

I have been contributing the maximum to social security since I was twenty and now receive the grand sum of $2,300 a month. Any union member who thinks it unfair to reduce their pension and other retirement benefits to an affordable amount can fund a social security payment to me representing 123.75% (45 X 2.75%) of my last year's salary.

Thank you.

Where in the world does SEIU gets its legal advice - you can't challenge a voter initiative until AFTER it has passed.

Where in the world does SEIU get its political advice - their law suit just gave this initiative a big boost.

I failed to read where it states SEIU was related to this action ?
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Sharon McAleavey, a representative with the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees, the union that represents Menlo Park middle managers, wrote in a press release that the union believes the initiative to be illegal
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If you read the story, you will notice that it is AFSCME bringing suit, not SEIU. Please carry on.

The initiative is only the beginning. Menlo Park employees are currently without a contract and the City should start replacing them with non union people as soon as possible. The governmental unions are too greedy.

These unions are the adversaries of the taxpayer. We don't need them. The workers are not being exploited in sweat shops and have earned more than they would in the private sector for the last thirty years.

I stand corrected, the union bring suit is AFSCME not SEIU.

Where do I sign?

It is interesting that initiatives that spend money can go ahead while initiatives to reign in spending are illegal.

Government at work again.

"new guy"

Thanks for your support

We will have signature gatherers (collectors) in front of Draegers, Trader Joes, and Safeway tomorrow and Sunday. Or you contact us via the methods below and we'll arrange a time to meet you.

Contact us by email at: Volunteers@menloparkpensionreform2010.org

Contact us on Facebook (find the group: Menlo Park Citizens for Fair and Responsible Pension Reform)

We are receiving TREMENDOUS support from the community for our drive, and appreciate your enthusiasm to help.

For more information on the initiate go to our website:
http://www.pensionreformmenlopark2010.org


Thanks
Roy Thiele-Sardiña
Co-Chairman
Citizens for Fair and Responsible Pension Reform

"In the press release, Ms. McAleavey writes that California law prohibits public pension contracts from being changed through a voter initiative."

If she's right, then isn't this initiative just an exercise in futility?
A city initiative does not trump state law. It's not even clear if it were a state-wide initiative that it would over-rule a state law.
Does anyone on this site know what the law says on this matter?

Not to paint with too broad a brush but it's pretty clear that what has happened with public employees is that a "bubble" of liabilities has been created that is not sustainable. Wish as people may, there is no way to back weight the pensions such that generous returns are guaranteed independent of the economic circumstances. The demographics just don't allow for it. And if you fund a pension assuming 10% returns every year and guarantee that people get substantially more out than they put in, that essentially has the public guaranteeing returns for some at the expense of their public services. This is just beginning to play out as more and more, we will be in a situation of seeing our tax money go to fund retirements rather than actual service. Whether an intitiative is the way to change these liabilities or not, the unions better understand very quickly that people will not take kindly to higher taxation to fund what would appear to be very generous pensions, pensions that essentially will divide our socieity into those who have government pensions and htose who don't. If an intiaitive is not the right means, with social networking, people will very quickly realize the right mechanism to follow and the results may not be pretty. Consider mass tax revolts, massive migration of the richest out of California as their primary residence, etc. There are not enough "rich" people in the state to fund these liabilities so as with the unions of Greece, unions here better wake up and face reality or there will be nobody to "govern" left.
I much prefer California to Texas, but I exepct the census will show that I'm the exception as Texas is growing and Claifornia is shrinking population wise. Take a look at New Jersey as well. Cuts will need to come and if it means hiring non-union workers for government jobs, so be it.

The last I read, the petition only changes the retirement packages for new employees, not current one. I agree with Peter, were does the Union get their legal advice. I will be at Dragers Sunday to sing the petition. Time to get rid of the unions also.

As a teacher that taught full time for 30 years, beginning in Jan 1968, we couldn't retire til 60, now older and get full benefits.
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hey also did not collect for social security out of our checks for a loing time.

I do not sympathize with the union and I still belong to two teachers' unions.

Of course , Menlo is foolish to even think about re-doin g Menlo downtown.

I still work at way beyond retirement age.

Get real.

Oh, and also the government of CA is now taking away a good deal of our pension! Don't cry on my shoulder!

The Menlo Park Pension Reform initiative does only address new employees, but you have to cut off the foolishness at some point. In the meantime, there should be no further commitments made by the city pending receipt of the voice of the people.

As for the AFSCME threat to sue, the initiative does not enter into contract negotiations, it instructs our council what the limits are. If the citizens cannot direct their council, we don't have a representative government - I for one am not worried that such a suite will prevail. We will absolutely collect our signatures and submit them to put this on the November ballot.

Thank you to everyone for your fantastic support.

Henry Riggs, Co-chairman
Citizens for Fair and Responsible Pension Reform