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Water board tells Stanford it supports removing Searsville Dam

Original post made on Apr 2, 2015

The San Francisco Bay Regional Water Quality Control Board has told Stanford University it supports removing Searsville Dam as the university moves toward a decision on what to do with the dam and its reservoir.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, April 2, 2015, 9:46 AM

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Posted by Shelly
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Apr 2, 2015 at 12:33 pm

Thank you Almanac for your ongoing coverage of this historic opportunity!
Stop dragging your feet Stanford. The dam is a disaster, you have better options, you claim to be good land and water stewards, the dam will come down. Please do the right thing and quickly, for our watershed and our community.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 2, 2015 at 3:38 pm

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Hopefully people realize that when the dam is removed there will be thousands of truckloads of sediment that will have to be hauled through Portola Valley and adjacent communities - be prepared and don't claim that you did not demand this happen.


Posted by Stop the Trolls
a resident of another community
on Apr 2, 2015 at 4:23 pm

And how would this be different from the times when Jacques Littlefield had his military vehicles trucked through Portola Valley's narrow roads, Peter?


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 2, 2015 at 4:28 pm

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"how would this be different from the times when Jacques Littlefield had his military vehicles trucked through Portola Valley's narrow roads,"

What about "thousands of truckloads of sediment" don't you understand?


Posted by Stop the Trolls
a resident of another community
on Apr 2, 2015 at 4:33 pm

Which part of "this has happened before, on numerous occasions" do YOU not understand, sir?

Let me remind you that Portola Valley is not some sacred site. Littlefield's activities proved that.

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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 2, 2015 at 4:50 pm

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"Which part of "this has happened before, on numerous occasions"do YOU not understand, sir?"

1 - Just that you never made such a statement.

2 - Numerous does not equal thousands.


Posted by Stop the Trolls
a resident of another community
on Apr 2, 2015 at 5:04 pm

1 - (part removed. Please post without negative characterizations of other posters.) Mr. Littlefield's ... collection reached to over 300 vehicles. Which translates into quite the number of VERY heavy trucks maneuvering through Portola Valley.

2 - A distinction without a difference.

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Posted by Len
a resident of Portola Valley: Central Portola Valley
on Apr 2, 2015 at 5:07 pm

Peter,
Your definitive statements show a clear lack of knowledge about the issue and desire to try and scare people with misinformation. Searsville Dam is not in Portola Valley and any project equipment would use a direct path from Highway 280 to the large Sand Hill Road and direct access to Searsville and Jasper Ridge access points. They would not go through Portola Valley or any neighborhoods or small residential streets. In addition, sediment management options include stabilizing sediment on site since much is under decades of forested growth and carefully transporting sediment downstream with higher winter flows and phased lowering. Both of these options are being used extensively with dam removals around the country. In fact, hauling sediment away in trucks is used much less than these other two options being considered for Searsville. Material hauled away may be relatively small compared to the other two sediment management options and limited to the concrete dam and a small amount of sediment. Sediment and woody debris would also be used to recontour the site and carry out the restoration and native plant reverberation efforts. Please don't interject your false scare tactics here.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 2, 2015 at 5:21 pm

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Sediment refers to the material that is below the surface of the lake - by definition that is not forested.

"transporting sediment downstream with higher winter flows and phased lowering" requires lots of rainfall, actually many, many years of rainfall. And, notably, we are not getting much of that lately.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 2, 2015 at 5:29 pm

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To put this into perspective:

"The reservoir has lost over 90% of its original water storage capacity as roughly 1.5 million cubic yards of sediment has filled it in" per Wikipedia.

A large dump truck carries about 10 cubic yards and a tandem carries about 18 cubic yards.

Removing the entire 1,500,000 cubic yards would require 150,000 truck loads.


Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 2, 2015 at 7:17 pm

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Given my experience in construction, those in control of the creeks DO NOT want sediment washed down the creeks. That leads me to believe that washing sediment down the creek is NOT an option. That means it will have to be excavated and hauled away. Peter's calculations are only correct if the end dump has a "booster", Otherwise they can only carry about 7 yards. A transfer or "tandem" can carry about 18 yards. Any way you slice it you are looking at a boat load of trucks taking silt from the dam. If you live in that area and want to see the dam gone you better be prepared for a ton of truck traffic.

That being said, if they're going to haul off all that silt, why would they take the dam down? Once the silt is gone it returns to its original usefulness. Just a thought.


Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 2, 2015 at 8:39 pm

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One other thing. A yard in the ground doesn't equal a yard hauled off. You have to figure at least a 25% "fluff factor." A yard of dirt in the ground expands when it is excavated. Add 25% to the number of trucks figured to remove the silt from behind the dam. Still needs to be done, but let's be realistic about the number of trucks required. It is a lot.


Posted by Reality Check
a resident of another community
on Apr 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm

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Wait a minute. The reality is that if the dam were removed, removing all the silt would be overkill. Like any dried out or drained reservoir, the muddy/silted up bottom would dry out and very quickly be covered with naturally occurring weeds and vegetation to stabilize it. The natural creek flow would very quickly and naturally cut a comparatively very narrow channel across the former reservoir surface, washing some of the silt downstream ... but vast majority of it would solidify and and stay put, constituting new "ground".

Also, the shortest, most obvious path for truck traffic would exit Stanford's Jasper Ridge property and take Sand Hill Road from Lakeshore Drive out to I-280. That and that nowhere near every cubic yard of silt need (or should) be removed means it's not as big a deal as Mr. Carpenter is making it out to be.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 3, 2015 at 1:14 pm

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"Like any dried out or drained reservoir, the muddy/silted up bottom would dry out and very quickly be covered with naturally occurring weeds and vegetation to stabilize it."

Actually, regardless of any surface vegetation, the sedimentation of the depth that exists behind the dam would be geologically very unstable and prone to a massive mudslide.


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