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Hillary Clinton Does Not Deserve the Presidential Nomination

Original post made by Concerned Menlo Park Resident, Menlo Park: Belle Haven, on May 26, 2015

I was reading the book called 'The Residence'. It is about the people behind ths scenes who keep the White House going. This is an excerpt on page 153 of the book which I found shocking and revealing about the true nature of the Clintons.

'By most accounts, Chelsea Clinton treated the residence staff with respect. Yet Ronn Payne [White House Florist] believes that she had internalized some of her parents’ animosity toward the Secret Service. In the very beginning of the Clinton administration, agents were stationed on the second-floor staircase landing, right by the president’s elevator. Another Secret Service post was at the top of the Grand Staircase across from the Treaty Room on the second floor.

One day, according to Payne, he was walking through the second-floor private kitchen when an agent walked in behind him waiting to escort Chelsea to Sidwell Friends, the private school she attended in northwest Washington. Chelsea was on the phone.

“Oh, I’ve got to go,” she told her friend. “The pigs are here.”

The agent turned “crimson,” Payne recalls. “Ms. Clinton, I want to tell you something. My job is to stand between you, your family, and a bullet. Do you understand? ”

"Well, that's what my mother and father call you," she replied'

I don't blame Chelsea Clinton. She was just a teenager at the time. But I am shocked and dismayed at the condescending attitude the Clintons have towards the poeple who are willing to lay down their lives to protect them. Ms. Clinton claims she identifies with the working people. But this can't be true or she would have respect for the Secret Service rather than the obvious seething contempt she really has for them.

I urge my felllow Democrats to vote for either Martin O'Malley (the highly regarded two term Governor of Marland) or Elizabeth Warren (the esteemed Senator of Massachusetts). They truly identify with the working people. The Clintons are only about themselves and we should not reward their avarice, narcissism, and general bad behavior with our vote. Hillary Clinton has not earned nor does she deserve our vote. Vote wisely. Vote for people who really care about us. Hillary Clinton only cares about herself.



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Posted by Stop the Trolls
a resident of another community
on May 26, 2015 at 3:13 pm

Yet more right-wing nonsense from our right-wing troll.

Yawn.


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Posted by just asking
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on May 26, 2015 at 3:35 pm

Why is it that whenever posters cite over-the-top anti-Clinton and anti-Obama articles or books on this forum, the author of those articles or books always lists a gig with "Fox" news (maybe it's the "news" that should be in quote marks) in his/her resume?


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Posted by really?
a resident of Menlo Park: South of Seminary/Vintage Oaks
on May 26, 2015 at 4:06 pm

So instead of discussing the past Clinton behaviors or bringing up your opinion of her qualifications/accomplishments, your response is to denigrate and name call... It's like playing whack a mole...the defenders keep popping up.

Is Hillary really the best candidate with the best positions on issues and best chance to win? I think it is at least debatable that she's not.


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Posted by Dist 4
a resident of Menlo Park: Sharon Heights
on May 26, 2015 at 4:17 pm

"fellow democrat"?!?!? Ha!

Wow - go after Chelsea. Again. Sort of reminds me of the most popular "joke" among arch-conservatives back in the 90's. You know, the one about Chelsea's 'alleged' parents.

The one John McCain *unbelievably* told reporters while on the campaign trail. (parenthetically, one of many reasons McCain disqualified himself from ever being eleceted outside AZ.)

The vile disgusting "joke" that offended every moral person when they heard it. You can look it up.

Turns out, the far right fringe element were only getting started -- along came the outstanding and upright Obama family. Outstanding? Yes. Compare those lovely young women with what problems the Bush twins caused! Teenage drinking, curfew violation, etc..

Does that stop the vile, disgusting "jokes" from the right? Nope. They only got worse with our first African American family in the White house.

Our poster above, obviously suffering from CDS (Clinton Derangement Syndrome) loved posting about Obama for years, with many removed by the editors as soon as they saw the posts.

What disturbs him most? He knows there isn't a republican who can beat Hillary.

And it's eating him up, from the insides.

Poor little thing.

Just like McCain, the former maverick, now an old, very bitter, very angry man, yelling at kids to get off his lawn.

Losers.




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Posted by really?
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 26, 2015 at 4:29 pm

really? is a registered user.

Please note that 'really?' isn't the real really?. A real really? would rarely express the reality supported by the other really?. Get real!


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Posted by really?
a resident of Menlo Park: South of Seminary/Vintage Oaks
on May 26, 2015 at 4:45 pm

sorry didn't know and didn't mean to steal the real "really?"s ID..I'll stop after this one.

I just am not feeling it yet on Hillary...she is not a relative unknown like Obama was ... doesn't bring with her any hope or change from past policies. The potential novelty of the first female president will not bring out voters - she will need to articulate why we should vote for her, but it's getting harder to believe what she says.


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Posted by Dist 4
a resident of Menlo Park: Sharon Heights
on May 26, 2015 at 5:08 pm

Seriously? "I just am not feeling it yet on Hillary"

And what republican policies are you "feeling"?

- are you "feeling" tax cuts for the Kochs and other billionaires?

- are you "feeling" fighting equal pay and paycheck fairness?

- are you "feeling" destroying health insurance for millions without any replacement plan?

- are you "feeling" more neo-con inspired Wars? If you liked Iraq - then vote GOP!

- are you "feeling" cutting Social Security and Medicare, to partially pay for those tax cuts for billionaires?

At least with the Clintons, we had a great economy (23 million new jobs) and balanced budgets - name the last republican to balance a budget! Democrats are GREAT for the economy.

Go ahead: name the last republican to balance a budget!

Private Sector Jobs:

Term Private Sector Jobs Added (000s)
Carter ........ 9,041
Reagan 1 ........ 5,360
Reagan 2 ........ 9,357
GHW Bush ........ 1,510
Clinton 1 ........ 10,885
Clinton 2 ........ 10,070
GW Bush 1 ........ -841 (note the negative)
GW Bush 2 ........ 379
Obama 1 ........ 1,998
Obama 2 ........ 4,1291
120 months into 2nd term: 9,910 pace.

Read more at Web Link

Why would anyone collecting a paycheck EVER vote republican? Why would anyone collecting Social Security vote for a republican that will cut their Social Security?


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Posted by Ridiculidity
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on May 26, 2015 at 7:35 pm

No president, Democrat or Republican, has ever created private sector jobs. Private industry creates the jobs. The Government sometimes impedes the creation of private sector jobs but it never creates them.


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 26, 2015 at 7:40 pm

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Dist4:

I'm feeling I don't like either dem or pug. They're both beholden to big money none of which is beholden to we the people.


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on May 27, 2015 at 6:56 am

pogo is a registered user.

Reading this thread, it appears that my choice has narrowed to a Republican who will give tax cuts to the Koch brothers or a Democrat who will increase the size of our government.

Let me ponder that for a nanosecond or two.


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Posted by Dist 4
a resident of Menlo Park: Sharon Heights
on May 27, 2015 at 8:37 am

Riciculity: "The Government... never creates them." Of course. Under Democratic presidents, more jobs are created in the private sector than by Republicans. The numbers are clear about that.



Pogo deflects from the Democratic Presidents and their clearly superior job creation records to espouse the fallacy that all Dems increase the size of government.

Reagan promised to eliminate the Dept of Education, and by the time he left, doubled it's size.

Bill Clinton cut all government departments during his terms.

from Meet The Press awhile back: "Cato’s Steve Hanke says Clinton did have the largest reduction in federal spending in the past 60 years as measured in percentage of GDP, but the reduction came primarily from domestic cuts – not defense."

"In his eight years as President, Clinton reduced federal spending to 18.2 percent of GDP from 22.1 percent..."

"George Bush increased federal spending as a share of GDP by 2.6 points in two terms, and it wasn’t just spent on defense; the increase was split evenly between defense and non-defense spending"

Republicans DO NOT REDUCE government size, they just reduce our ability to PAY FOR IT (with tax cuts for billionaires putting the pressure on the middle class to bear the brunt.)

Not only do republicans stink on job creation and actually shrinking the size of government -- they leave the economy in a shambles, forcing Democrats to clean up the mess. (see: Bush Great Recession)



Republican presidents DO NOT REDUCE government size, they just reduce the ability to PAY FOR IT.



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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on May 27, 2015 at 10:15 am

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Nice argument... unfortunately, I never said Republicans reduce the size of government so your points were clearly lost with me.

You are to be commended on your very consistent use of the straw man argument. I suspect you have a very large barn.


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 27, 2015 at 12:37 pm

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The seeds of the "Bush" recession were sown during the Clinton administration.


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Posted by hillview
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on May 27, 2015 at 12:40 pm

Despite pogo's red herring, just look at Bush and how he grew government. Just off the top of my head:
* medicare part d
* no child left behind
* dept of homeland security

And borrowing money from China to falsely manufacture a war of choice.

I voted for Reagan, Bush 1, and McCain in 2000. Can't imagine I'll make that choice again.


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Posted by hillview
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on May 27, 2015 at 12:45 pm

Maybe the 2001 recession had something to do as a hangover from the great Clinton economic times.

But how do you possibly blame 2008 on anyone other than Bush/Cheney/Greenspan?

My God, the koolaid!


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on May 27, 2015 at 2:48 pm

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Just proves that you can never run outta straw.


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 27, 2015 at 3:19 pm

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hillview:

Clinton signed the bill deregulating the banking industry which resulted in the economic meltdown of 2008. It was solely due to banks being able to make the bad loans and cover their tracks with bad paper that caused it. Before the dems put up that bill and Clinton signed it, it couldn't have happened. No koolaid here. Perhaps you've been drinking it?


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 27, 2015 at 3:23 pm

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correction:

the gramm/leach/Bliley act which set the stage for 2008 was put up by pugs and signed by Clinton.

Web Link

And this problem still hasn't been fixed.


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Posted by Ridiculidity
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on May 27, 2015 at 9:33 pm

Concerned had it right. You can always count on liberals doing two thing when they can not counter the truth about the Clintons:

1) Attack the posters rather than their arguments, and
2) Change the subject

I notice how the Almanac editorial staff will delete comments that cast liberals in a pejorative light when the comments even slightly stray from the original post but will give liberals free rein to stray if they promote a leftist agenda in consonance with the Almanac's Über Liberal beliefs.

I wholeheartedly agree with Concerned. Hillary does not deserve the nomination for the cruel and condescending way she treats the people who will lay down their lives to save hers. She is the epitome of a scoundrel. And for allegedly perspicacious Menlo Park people to willingly blind themselves to her serious flaws just because she is a liberal are doing themselves a tremendous disservice.

This woman is a guileful, duplicitous, arrogant, condescending, mendacious, solipsistic politician and a complete failure as Secretary of State. Anthony Weiner would be a better president than Hillary. Besides he has a lot in common with her husband.


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Posted by Stop the Trolls
a resident of another community
on May 28, 2015 at 2:02 pm

@Ridiculidity: My goodness, you repeated the Fox "News" spin, word for word.

Guess you should get a prize for copy-and-paste skills.


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Posted by Sammy
a resident of Woodside: other
on May 28, 2015 at 5:08 pm

The Republican repeal of Glast Stiegal was the worst thing Bill Clinton did.

But the Bush crash had more to do with mortgages than Phil Gramms bill.

Gramm, McCain's econ guy, also called 2008 a Mental Recession. Wotta guy....


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 28, 2015 at 5:09 pm

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and Bush had control over those mortgages how?


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Posted by dirty denying denny
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on May 28, 2015 at 7:18 pm

longest serving GOP house leader

busted

succeeded the dirty denying Newt

discuss


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 28, 2015 at 7:30 pm

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just so we're clear, I'm an independent voter. I didn't like Bush and I didn't like Clinton. I especially didn't like what Clinton did when he signed the bill that created the 2008 meltdown. I just want to place responsibility where it belongs. the 2008 meltdown ultimately belongs to Clinton whether you hard left wingers want to admit it or not. The economy collapsed on Bushes watch, but the cause was created by Clinton.

I think Bush sucked as president, but let's keep this factual.


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Posted by Stop the Clintons
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on May 29, 2015 at 3:12 pm

You have a megalomaniacial women who has been an ignominious failure as SOS and a sexual predator husband who allegedly raped Juanita Broderick and this is the best the Democrats can come up with?

When you look at Whitewater, Travelgate, the commodity futures scandal, using the Lincoln Bedroom as a fundraiser, the e-mail scandal, the blatant lies about Bengazi, and its subsequent coverup what accomplishments can you attribute to Ms. Clinton? Well she and her husband did manage to steal furniture that was donated to the White House when they moved to Chappaqua and then were forced to give it back.

Even the ultra liberal New York Times excoriated the Clintons in a January 2001 editorial for their brazen theft of public property and even said "good bye and good riddance" upon their White House departure. Then 14 years later have amensia regarding their well justified criticisms of the Clintons.

Hillary's reply to her own menacity and greed would be "What difference does it make". The Clintons embrace the 7 deadly sins. The live them. They are woven into their fabric. Their marriage is the epitome of a Faustian pact. And the damage she could inflict upon our country would make the WWII fire-bombing of Dresden seem like a Sunday school picnic.

Martin O'Malley, Jim Webb, or Elizabeth Warren would be much better presidents. The Clintons are morally bankrupt, do not care one whit about America and are only about themselves. We should show these narcissists the door by voting for any Democrat except them. They are not worthy of our trust or our vote.


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Posted by hillview
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on May 30, 2015 at 6:31 am

Forbes : "If you tally the institutions that ran into severe problems in 2008-09, the list includes Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, AIG, and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, none of which would have come under Glass-Steagall’s restrictions. "

The mortgage crisis had little to do with the Republican repeal of Glast Steigal, which was signed by Clinton. You cannot lay the 2008 recession on Clinton.

"

Funny that Hank and fringe concern trolls said in 2012 that Hillary should replace Obama on the ticket because he would lose.


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 30, 2015 at 7:37 am

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you can't blame it on Bush either. He wasn't running Bears Sterns et al


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on May 30, 2015 at 9:35 am

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It is dishonest for Democrats to ignore the role that politicians played (ie, the Community Reinvestment Act). Prior to the Act, when someone wanted to purchase a home, they sat down with their lender and established their ability to repay their loan. But the Act forced lenders to provide loans to specific percentages of sub-prime borrowers who were unable to repay their mortgages. Increasing housing prices masked this problem for about two decades but when the market crashed, it was revealed in spades.

It is equally dishonest for Republicans to ignore the role that banks and investment firms played. When the problem with bad mortgages became apparent, these firms buried these worthless mortgages into investment instruments and sold them. They left others with a bunch of worthless paper.

The bottom line, at least for me, is to let the economy and market do its job with reasonable regulation. Reasonable regulation does not include forcing banks to lend to people who not credit worthy. It does mean that banks need to disclose the details of their investment instruments. If they are too complex to understand, they shouldn't be sold to individuals.


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Posted by Ridiculidity
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on May 31, 2015 at 11:32 pm

Pogo,

Jon Corzine ran Goldman Sachs. Wall street is pretty well controlled by Democrats and Republicans equally. It is not their political affiliation that let to the crisis, it was their avarice. Avarice, unfortunately, afflicts both political parties equally. Most people go into politics, not to serve people, but to accumulate power. Then they graduate to accumulating money.

The Clintons are the epitome of greed. Mrs. Clinton pretends to be about the middle class person. Not true. She is about getting her husband even bigger speaking fees if she becomes president. And the speaking fees are not really waht the seem to be. They are really payments for access.


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on Jun 1, 2015 at 8:24 am

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Ridiculidity -

My point was not the political affiliations of executives at investment banks - or Fannie or Freddie for that matter. My point was that one party consistently blames a single cause for the meltdown when they ignore other causes that are at least as significant.

The truth of the matter is that it was a series of catastrophic decisions that led to the meltdown and each political party gleefully participated at some point.

A pox on box.


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Posted by hillview
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Jun 2, 2015 at 10:37 am

This would be a hilarious thread (if it wasn't so sad,) with Pogo blaming poor folk and their loans for Bush's Great Recession, and all the Faux News Clinton fables, while...

ABC poll shows no GOP candidate can get more than 11 percent. Walker and Rand Paul (!) each got 11.

First one out of the clown car to get 13 percent wins?

Wins what, you ask? The chance to get smoked in the general.

Which one can beat Hillary?


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on Jun 2, 2015 at 12:17 pm

pogo is a registered user.

Please point out where I "blaming poor folk"?

Seriously, you make such a dishonest argument?


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on Jun 2, 2015 at 12:19 pm

pogo is a registered user.

I suppose when you can't argue facts, just attack the author.

Right on queue...


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Posted by hillview
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Jun 2, 2015 at 12:55 pm

Pogo: "Act forced lenders to provide loans to specific percentages of sub-prime borrowers who were unable to repay their mortgages. "

The lenders did that not because they were FORCED, they did that so they could have stocks of loans to bundle up, etc.. Also, its been documented that lenders put borrowers that qualified for better loans, into subprimes, etc..

So Pogo, pick a name that can beat Hillary.


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Posted by Menlo Voter
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Jun 2, 2015 at 3:10 pm

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"The lenders did that not because they were FORCED, they did that so they could have stocks of loans to bundle up, etc.. Also, its been documented that lenders put borrowers that qualified for better loans, into subprimes, etc.."

And this was Bush's fault because?


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Posted by pogo
a resident of Woodside: other
on Jun 3, 2015 at 7:59 am

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So, I didn't blame "poor" after all, did I? I blamed the politicians... and you didn't even apologize.

I don't play with people who just misrepresent someone position. Go get some more straw and argue with yourself, troll.


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