"So, my question is, what side of history do we as Americans want to be on?"

Look back only a few years ago and find the posters on this site that completely denied climate change. Some of them based their decisions on written accounts of seal hunters. No joke.

Then there are ones that accepted warming, but blamed it on sunspots.

The rapid acceleration of global warming is caused by man and his industry.

It's now time to fix it for our children and grandchildren. A large amount of it can be paid by Exxon, et al.., for their blatant obfuscation when they knew about climate change back in the 70's. Millions spent lying, in a tobacco copycat plan.

>> So, my question is, what side of history do we as Americans want to be on?

Some of the biggest giveaways that climate change is real, and always was
were that the military has been planning for it, corporations such as Exxon
we know have been studying it and planning for it.

The question is .. will there be anything we call history at the beginning of
the next century?

The fact that we are seeing things coming about faster than even the
gloom and doomers had predicted likely means that we have already
kicked past the point of manageable linearity and into exponential
non-linear systems effects.

It will be sheer luck if we do not have an almost uninhabitable planet
in the 2200's with most of our amazing biodiversity gone for good.
And I would sincerely love for that be to wrong.

The companies will pass the carbon tax on to the consumer. Everyone has a carbon footprint. Everyone consumes carbon. Coal fired power plants create 40% of our country's energy. Wind produces 1.4% and solar a mere 0.19%. So carbon produced energy is more than 25 times greater than wind and solar.

So you Prius drivers you are creating a carbon footprint with your electric cars. In fact in some parts of the country electric cars are more polluting than gasoline vehicles because of the electric energy in certain areas is produced primarily by coal fired power plants.

All the carbon tax does is create another economic inefficiency. A non-productive Government bureaucracy is created where people get paid for not producing any tangible benefit to society. That creates inflation due to more money chasing a non-increasing pot of goods and services.

Sol liberals feel good about yourselves for putting another drag on the economy. If you wanted be really productive then you would offer tax credits to electric companies using coal fired power plants to capture smokestack pollutants. But that would make too much sense.

So what do liberals do. They want to get rid of 40% of our energy source without any plans to replace it. In addition to the economic devastation of their short sighted thinking you would have hundreds if not thousands of people in New England and the Midwest freezing to death in the winter. I guess people dying is one way to reduce the carbon footprint.

"Sol liberals feel good about yourselves"

Cap and trade has been WIDELY supported by Republicans in the past, until the knuckledraggers dragged the party so far to the fringe that it is political suicide to admit that science has settled the so called global warming debate. Cap and trade is a free market solution.

Reagan used cap and trade to phase out lead in gasoline.

George H. W. Bush proposed the use of a cap and trade system to cut sulfur dioxide emissions from coal.

George W. Bush supported cap and trade on carbon.

John McCain supported cap and trade in 2003 and later in 2007.

He had to change because he needed the votes of the fringe knuckledraggers; they forced him in order to block anything that Barack Obama was trying to do to help America.

So today's fringe is railing against REAGAN, Bush I, Bush II and McCain. What's that - maybe 90% of the GOP presidents/presidential candidates in OUR LIFETIME?

btw: you all know that in the extremely unlikely event Drumpf is elected, he will endorse cap and trade. Absolutely will flip flop on that.



"They want to get rid of 40% of our energy source without any plans to replace it."

Clearly someone who has not read much. maybe he should go back to reporting on the findings of seal hunters from a century ago.

A green economy will keep America competitive, create jobs, create a better environment and fuel the economy.

Stop the 'America Last' fringe crowd. Support the American Green Revolution. We have the technology and markets to lead the world in these new markets.

Carbon Tax Follies, you are all over the place.
Tax credits, cap and trade carbon tax ... now it is get all picky
about that when before it was pure climate change denial.
The drag on the economy is you, because the uncertainty in
the economy is IF or HOW we are going to deal with global
climate change ... now that it is here and even the obstructionists
cannot deny it.

For a little more money you will hold the whole planet for ransom
and then try to blame on "the Liberals" and even Prius drivers. It's
just so tiresome to hear this right wing nonsense that jumps
from one incoherent blaming position to the next.