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Today: Public workshop on FAA study of San Carlos Airport noise

Original post made on Mar 21, 2018

A fourth public information workshop, designed to provide an update on the progress of a Federal Aviation Administration study of noise at the San Carlos Airport, will be held Wednesday evening, March 21, at the Hiller Aviation Museum near the airport.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 8:09 AM

Comments (15)

Posted by Air Traffic Peace in M.P.
a resident of Menlo Park: South of Seminary/Vintage Oaks
on Mar 21, 2018 at 1:52 pm

I know this is about San Carlos, but look ahead as the noise, frequency, & altitudes will change at will in the future. I have lived in Menlo Park for 28 years and the noise has never been this bad. The SFO Air Traffic NOISE and airplane FREQUENCY over Menlo Park, Palo Alto and Atherton has increased drastically since 2013 with the introduction of the NEXTGEN air traffic system. This technical leap has made our yards, walks and houses rumble all day & now all night long. It's been a step backward for our quality of life.
Put simply:
"SFO TOO MANY, TOO OFTEN, & TOO LOW! These flights use to stop at 11pm, but now they run throughout the night & the noise seems constant even INSIDE my home. Can anything be done to eliminate the constant noise or reduce the constant RUMBLE like flying higher, out of ear shot or adding another pathway further over the Bay? Planes fly over approximately every 2 minutes and the massive midweek planes criss-cross the area flying incredibly LOW such that outdoor conversations need to stop & wait. Wednesdays around NOON every week are the worse along with any three day weekend or holiday end. Good luck relaxing in the yard at the end of a holiday weekend. We need relief please!


Posted by Shhhhh
a resident of Portola Valley: Ladera
on Mar 26, 2018 at 6:16 pm

Airplane noise is at horrific levels, and the noise is often nonstop all day and night. It’s all about greed.

On a San Carlos note, it would be great if you guys would stop giving lessons in a stalling plane (or whatever it is when you cut the engine) over the populated Peninsula. Thanks. W


Posted by Dan
a resident of another community
on Apr 1, 2018 at 5:31 pm

Get out, San Carlos Airport!!


Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 2, 2018 at 7:34 am

Menlo Voter. is a registered user.

Dan:

I'd venture to say San Carlos Airport was probably there long before you were. Maybe you shouldn't have bought so close to an airport if you're that sensitive to noise.


Posted by Dan
a resident of another community
on Apr 4, 2018 at 9:36 pm

Menlo Voter:

Yes. They existed long before. But it doesn't authorize them to increase the frequency of the flights as they like without negotiating with the neighbors. The problem only deteriorates after 2012, which I don't think is long time ago. Actually, my house is not close to the airport, but still got affected.


Posted by Dan
a resident of another community
on Apr 4, 2018 at 10:00 pm

Menlo Voter:

It is kinda like your neighbor is adding a second floor to its house without talking to you, and is blocking your view. Are you gonna live with it, since his house has been there probably longer than yours?


Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 5, 2018 at 6:48 am

Menlo Voter. is a registered user.

"It is kinda like your neighbor is adding a second floor to its house without talking to you, and is blocking your view. Are you gonna live with it, since his house has been there probably longer than yours?"

Actually, as long as the neighbor complied with zoning laws, yes, I would live with it. San Carlos Airport is complying with all laws. And they don't have get your permission to conduct flight operations.

A more apt comparison is you moving next to a pig farm, knowing it's there, then complaining about the smell.


Posted by Dan
a resident of another community
on Apr 5, 2018 at 9:02 am

Menlo Voter:

"Actually, as long as the neighbor complied with zoning laws, yes, I would live with it."

Really? Your neighbor could do whatever they want with their house without discussing to you as long as they comply with zoning? You do need to learn a bit more about real estate. It violates the law by itself without any agreements with neighbors, no matter whether it complies with the zoning or not.

"A more apt comparison is you moving next to a pig farm, knowing it's there, then complaining about the smell."

Nope. you didn't get my point. The gist is on the "CHANGE OF FREQUENCY". Yes. It is kinda like you move next to a small pig farm, which was small in size and smell was unnoticeable at the beginning. Then, then pig farm expanded without any restrictions and any discussion with you, increased the smell as they like (San Carlos planes use very loud engine, and never consider to switch to quiet ones). You then noticed the smell only a couple of years ago. That makes the pig farm a bad neighbor and could be sued.

"they don't have get your permission to conduct flight operations."

Of course, as long as they got the permissions from neighbors on the frequency of their flights. Of course I couldn't permit every single flight operation.


Posted by Dan
a resident of another community
on Apr 5, 2018 at 9:07 am

Also, I don't think the pig farm owns the sky, right? As I told you, my house is om Peninsula, but not close to the airport, but still got affected. Do you mean that since San Carlos airport is in Peninsula., all Peninsula residences are then considered as its "neighbors". Then, San Carlos airport could do whatever it wants to its "neighbors" in the sky because they are living next to the "pig farm"?


Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 5, 2018 at 2:43 pm

Menlo Voter. is a registered user.

Dan:

Do you have any idea how many airports are located near you? You do know there are three international airports and multiple smaller airports near here right? And NONE of them need your permission to increase flight operations, nor do they need your permission to fly over your house as long as they are in compliance with FAA regulations.

As to not knowing about real estate and construction, I have been building for over 24 years. I am quite familiar with zoning, planning and a variety of other things regarding what can and can't been done without neighbors "permission". Your neighbor doesn't need your "permission" if they are in compliance with zoning regulations. The only permission that is required is when someone wants to deviate from the zoning requirements. The neighbors can complain and file appeals with the planning commission, but the commission doesn't have to grant the neighbors' requests.


Posted by Dan
a resident of another community
on Apr 5, 2018 at 3:46 pm

Menlo Voter:

"Do you have any idea how many airports are located near you? You do know there are three international airports and multiple smaller airports near here right? And NONE of them need your permission to increase flight operations, nor do they need your permission to fly over your house as long as they are in compliance with FAA regulations."

Awesome. You mean San Carlos airport doesn't need any permissions to increase flight operations, and hence they could increase as much as they like. Why do we still have this workshop here? Is this just for fun? not needed. screw up Peninsula residences' lives as much as possible, and fly whenever you want, since they are miserably located "near" this airport. Lawfully compliance doesn't make you morally right.


"As to not knowing about real estate and construction, I have been building for over 24 years. I am quite familiar with zoning, planning and a variety of other things regarding what can and can't been done without neighbors "permission". Your neighbor doesn't need your "permission" if they are in compliance with zoning regulations. The only permission that is required is when someone wants to deviate from the zoning requirements. The neighbors can complain and file appeals with the planning commission, but the commission doesn't have to grant the neighbors' requests."

I have been in real estate for 20+ years too. I clearly know that for things like "adding a second floor", you do need the permission from your neighbors. Yes. They could be rejected. But at least you need to go through the process and ask the permission from the city, not just on zoning. For big projects (such as building a new apartment building), you need to conduct env analysis, not just zoning.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 5, 2018 at 3:55 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

" I clearly know that for things like "adding a second floor", you do need the permission from your neighbors."

Wrong - in most local communities almost all residential areas are zoned to permit second floors - usually with a height limit of 35 ft and twith he attic area not being allowed to be occupied space.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Apr 5, 2018 at 3:56 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

" I clearly know that for things like "adding a second floor", you do need the permission from your neighbors."

Wrong - in most local communities almost all residential areas are zoned to permit second floors - usually with a height limit of 35 ft and with the attic area not being allowed to be occupied space.


Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 5, 2018 at 5:56 pm

Menlo Voter. is a registered user.

"Awesome. You mean San Carlos airport doesn't need any permissions to increase flight operations, and hence they could increase as much as they like. "

That is exactly correct. The FAA has control over this. No one else. The politicians and you and everyone else can piss and moan and play at "workshops" all you want. The FAA calls the shots. Not YOU and not any of the politicians pretending they are "doing something".

"Why do we still have this workshop here? Is this just for fun? "

It's so politicians can pretend they are "doing something" when there is absolutely nothing they can do. Then when all these stupid workshops are done and nothing can be done, they can all shrug their shoulders and say, "we tried".

And as Peter noted above you are wrong about adding additions to homes. I don't know what your real estate experience is, but clearly it doesn't involve putting additions and second stories on homes. Because your statement is WRONG.


Posted by Dan
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Apr 5, 2018 at 7:06 pm

Yes. FAA has the full control. There is little individuals could do up to this point. But as I said, Lawfully compliance doesn't make you morally right. As you should surely know, the peninsula residences will continue to protest, like what I am doing here and call for the attention from media. Yes. It could be useless, but better than doing nothing.

Let's stop this discussion. It won't lead to anywhere.





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