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Menlo Park: State board denies Willows residents' petition to switch school districts

Original post made on Sep 7, 2018

Near the border with East Palo Alto, one street in Menlo Park's Willows neighborhood sees a split on school days: Kids who live on one side of O'Connor Street attend schools in the Menlo Park City School District, while those living on the other side of the street are assigned to the Ravenswood City School District. That split will remain.

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Posted by Cheryl
a resident of another community
on Sep 7, 2018 at 2:22 pm

The state cites the Tinsley Program (applications for next school ear will be released next week on September 15) as an option for Ravenswood residents yet that same program could end soon as Silicon Valley becomes much more diverse. I guess it’s best to take advantage of the program now before the only option becomes Inter-District Transfers.


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Posted by Tinsley
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Sep 7, 2018 at 2:48 pm

The diversification arguments are stunningly disingenuous. A few points:

1) The current residents of the 31 houses are remarkably diverse already, well representing the overall area. So transfer would have been balanced.

2) The claim that the Tinsley exchange can allow students to individually select education options is simply false. The Tinsley program was established as a desegregation program. As such it does NOT allow 'white' children to participate. Only people of color may opt out of the Ravenswood school district. And according to Ravenswood's own data, the score there is 1200 to zero. I'm glad it's there for people but let's not call it a fair program in today's times.

3) What ever happened to democratic self determination. The citizens of the 31 households want to be in both the City and school district of Menlo Park. Why should this be prevented?

4) I have become convinced that this decision is based on a disingenuous money grab by Ravenswood school district cloaked in terms of racial equity. Just look at the arguments laid out by Superintendent Hernandez-Goff. As soon as she lays it out as an alleged racial balance issue, no committee dares touch it.


And for the record, I am neither anti-desegregation efforts (we are not 'there' yet in society) nor impacted directly by this decision one way or the other.


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Posted by Train Fan
a resident of another community
on Sep 7, 2018 at 4:24 pm

For this particular transfer, I really see both sides and think each side can make a reasonable, valid argument both pro or con for the transfer.

That said, I think any consideration for public school boundary changes should be more comprehensive and should have the following goals:

1: Align school district boundaries with other government-agency boundaries, most likely city/town boundaries. These boundaries already work for the cities/towns, so the same should be for school districts.

2: Changes to school boundaries should try to achieve near-revenue-neutral impact at a minimum. For example, if MPCSD took Belle Haven in a territory transfer, both Belle Haven and existing MPCSD students would see a REDUCTION in per-student revenue, which is not OK and counterproductive. Taking on Belle Haven only makes sense if the revenue impact is offset by adding a high-revenue territory, like Lloyden Park, West Atherton (north of Atherton Ave) and/or parts of Menlo Park in the LLESD.

3: Any changes to boundaries should come with additional facilities to account for the increase in potential enrollment for the affected district.


Personally, I think all of Menlo Park and all of Atherton should be in the same K-8 school district. Practically, I know that will be nearly impossible for financial, logistical and political reasons.


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Posted by Brian
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Sep 7, 2018 at 4:24 pm

Brian is a registered user.

Tinsley,

You need to remember that these are not the only residents of Menlo Park that are in the Ravenswood district. Belle Haven is also part of the Ravenswood district and they are in the same boat as the O'Connor residents. The O'Connor residents (probably not many of whom where here when this happened, has the misfortune of not being part of Menlo Park (they were Unincorporated SM County), when the Willows moved out of Ravenswood and into Menlo Park SD.

It would be great if the residents now put in the level of effort trying to clean up the School board and get Ravenswood on track to be a better district with better schools.


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Posted by Tinsley
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Sep 7, 2018 at 4:39 pm

Brian,

I'm mostly in agreement with you. It goes back to self determination. All of Belle Haven would be a more complex process. Due to funding model differences and other complexities it would be a huge negotiation/battle. But I think that is a legitimate thing to pursue if the residents desired it. (and given 1200 Tinsley transfers in Ravenswood, I have to assume a fair number of Belle Haven families have done just that)

These 31 houses are bit different though:

a) the practicality of being a tiny sliver of either district. It really shouldn't matter to budgets in any real way.
b) the proximity to existing resources (Laurel Upper)
c) the 'silly factor' of a few houses on one side of part of one street being in the City and not the District. Belle Haven is Menlo Park but at least has a 'natural' boundary of the freeway. (Yeah, I know there are parts of EPA on the west side of 101 too.)


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Posted by Cheryl
a resident of another community
on Sep 7, 2018 at 4:47 pm

@Tinsley

The territory transfer was denied mostly because “piecemeal” changes like this one may result in more school district boundary changes that make little sense, reflecting poor policy. If it had been approved, more boundary erosion would be encouraged as seen with Lloyden Park in Atherton.


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Posted by Train Fan
a resident of another community
on Sep 7, 2018 at 5:45 pm

"a) the practicality of being a tiny sliver of either district. It really shouldn't matter to budgets in any real way."

Agreed.


"b) the proximity to existing resources (Laurel Upper)"

I don't agree. Willow Oaks is almost as close (in the Willows as well). And note that Willow Oaks is k-5, so O'Connor k-5 kids would always be able to walk to school. Laurel on the other hand, will require a drive/bus for k-2 (lower Laurel) before being able to walk to Upper Laurel.


"c) the 'silly factor' of a few houses on one side of part of one street being in the City and not the District. Belle Haven is Menlo Park but at least has a 'natural' boundary of the freeway. (Yeah, I know there are parts of EPA on the west side of 101 too.)"

A boundary down a street is not unusual. LLESD<->MPCSD are separated down the middle of Orange and Santa Cruz Ave. MPCSD<->RWCSD are separated down the middle of Atherton Ave and Fair Oaks Ave. Just to name a few.


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Posted by Say What?
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Sep 7, 2018 at 8:51 pm

"Resident Ken Hoyle said that his children play on sports teams with other kids in the neighborhood since those teams are within the boundaries of Menlo Park, but added that his kids can't go to school with those same teammates."

Yes, this is about property values - Ken Hoyle's son does go to school in Menlo Park City School District.


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Posted by Hmm
a resident of another community
on Sep 8, 2018 at 10:01 am

The Menlo Park sports team boundaries are a terrible example/reason. The kids who live in Menlo Park but in Belle Haven aren’t allowed to join MP little league. Let’s start there for unfair. I’m not sure if it’s just about property values or also unconsciously about race.


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Posted by JL
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Sep 8, 2018 at 5:34 pm

The RSD is so incompetently led and managed that it should simply be folded into other, properly managed divisions.

All these claims of pocket of poverty etc are nonsense. If you have read any of the recent articles about the financial mismanagement of the RSD, the mayor of EPA calling out the board for corruption, nepotism and incompetence, the teachers of RSD signing petitions to have the superintendent fired etc then you will know what a joke the smoke screen arguments are, made by the RSD.

As reported by Palo Alto Online, Mayor Ruben Abrica (East Palo Alto) in a letter stated the following: "Your self-inflicted financial crisis … (does) not justify storming and ambushing the City Council to cover up for your mistakes," he wrote in a letter to Pulido, Wilson and Superintendent Gloria Hernandez-Goff on Friday. Source: Web Link

He also faulted Hernandez-Goff in particular for failing to manage the budget, writing in the Saturday letter that her mismanagement "is what triggered the cuts so suddenly instead of collaborative planning of reductions starting three years ago. "This is being called a 'reform' and a 'new culture,' but it's really a culture of corruption, intimidation and coverup, Abrica wrote. He stated that when Hernandez-Goff was hired in 2013, the district budget's ending balance was $8 million. Without budget cuts this coming year, the county projected the 2018-19 ending balance would be negative $3.3 million, he wrote.”

“In a letter presented to the school board... the Ravenswood Teachers Association said problems with Hernandez-Goff’s performance have emerged since she came to the district almost four years ago, but that the 2016-2017 school year has produced the most blatantly unprofessional and aggressively hostile actions we have seen.” Source: Web Link

How is this level of incompetence even tolerated in Silicon Valley in 2018?


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Posted by Citizen
a resident of another community
on Sep 12, 2018 at 3:38 pm

Every petition that the San Mateo County Committee on School District Organization receives involves the following scenario: Someone living on the edge of a school district perceived at undesirable (Redwood City, Ravenswood, LHPUSD) puts together a petition to move into the adjoining district, which is, of course, perceived as a desirable district (Menlo Park, Portola Valley, Woodside). In every single case, the petitioners disingenuously argue that this is not because of racial bias or property values. In every case, the true reason is exactly racial bias and property values. The worst example was the Pacific Parc condo complex petition. Their homes are adjacent (as in, they literally look out their windows into the play yard) to the Willow Oaks School. But they didn't want their kids to go there, so instead of working to contribute to the community schools in the district they voluntarily moved into, they petitioned to move into the Menlo Park district. Those people should truly be ashamed of themselves.

This latest petition is no different and I'm very glad that the state school board didn't fall for it this time. Instead of leaving, roll up your sleeves and make your community schools better.


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Posted by Jeff Leroux
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Sep 12, 2018 at 5:25 pm

@Citizen. Pretty bold generalizations and broad accusations of racist motivations on the part of petitioners. Sadly, you are engaging in personal attacks and insults instead of addressing the specific arguments made in the petition. You have accused the members of 31 households of being racist in their attempt to send their children to a different school system. How easy it is to engage in such destructive and divisive rhetoric when you can hide behind a pseudonym on a public forum. Your arguments as to the motivations of the petitioners demonstrates how weak your argument is when that is all you have left - personal insults and libel. You apparently received a degree in Race Relations from Trump University.

31% of Menlo Park residents are visible minorities. The Willows and not surprisingly the petitioners are representative of those statistics. I am for example in a mixed race marriage and signed that petition. According to your Trumpian logic, I too am a racist. The African American family up the street that signed are racists, the Latino family four doors down that signed are racist etc....

Thank you "Citizen" for demonstrating the hate, ignorance and bias of the "no" side on this petition. Your comments are part of a bigger problem "Citizen". You are not part of any potential solution with bigoted generalizations like that. How can we have a reasoned debate on the facts when you have hate to spew.


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Posted by K in MP
a resident of Menlo Park: Suburban Park/Lorelei Manor/Flood Park Triangle
on Sep 13, 2018 at 5:35 pm

K in MP is a registered user.

@ Citizen
You may not be aware of two facts:

1) The residential property at Pacific Parc is literally surrounded by MPCSD. Unlike any other petition ever presented to the State, they were not on an edge of one District trying to move “to the other side of the street”, but were literally an island of one District within another District.

2). The students that attend Willow Oaks Elementary come from at least 1 mile away. It is not the school of the neighborhood in which it resides.

The State let that transfer go through because they recognized these two facts and that fact that the transfer would not be precedent setting since there are no other cases like this within the State.


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Posted by Citizen
a resident of another community
on Sep 14, 2018 at 2:57 pm

Jeff:

I am very familiar with the specific details of the cases that I describe. I got a good chuckle out of your comment about "Trump University". Actually, my degree is from Stanford University and I'm not a Trump fan. It is quite possible for people who are not white to be racist. Perhaps a better word is "classist." The Pacific Parc petitioners were, indeed, racially mixed, but not socio-economically mixed. And the argument that they were an island was and still is specious. The fact remains that Pacific Parc is immediately adjacent to an elementary school that is in the Ravenswood School District, so they are not an island by any definition except by the petitioners who used that as an excuse to keep their children from attending school with the children playing and learning right next door to their homes.

There is no hate (more like sadness and disgust in my fellow Stanford alumni for their lack of character), certainly no ignorance (I likely know more about that petition than you do) and no bias. My children attended school in a district perceived as less desirable, and they are now successful, happy, educated adults. But my family and I volunteered extensively to help not only our own children, but all of my community's children, including those from racial and/or socio-economic backgrounds that are different from my own, have a better educational experience.

My opinion is based on the facts of that case and of other petitions. You can look them up, Jeff. Find me a petition in which someone on the edge of the Menlo Park or Woodside or Portola Valley districts sought to move their property into Redwood City or Ravenswood. Of course you will find none. And other petitions similar to Pacific Parc's have been denied by the State Board since then, so I'm not the only one who is of this opinion.

Have a nice day.


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Posted by Brian
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Sep 14, 2018 at 3:02 pm

Citizen,

You are wrong. While I am sure that property values play a factor I don't think that is the top reason for wanting to be in a better school district. I think the primary reason is that people want their children to get a good education. I speak from experience when I say that is not very likely in Schools like Willow Oaks that you use as an example. That school has a rating of 1 out of 10, it has been providing a terrible education to students for 40 years (I know this personally). Efforts to improve if have consistently failed and if you look at the Superintendent and the School Board it is easy to understand why. However only part of the blame goes to the superintendent and board because they are elected by the residents of the district. If people don't care enough about the education of the children to elect people who care then they deserve at least some of the blame.

The Willows neighborhood chose to join the Menlo Park School District in 1983 because of the poor education at Willow School. Pacific Parc was build much later and being right in the middle of an area that is part of the Menlo School district it only made sense to be in that district.

Your comments on racial bias are off base and unless you have proof of this you should withdraw them, they only make you look bad.


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Posted by Jeff Leroux
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Sep 14, 2018 at 5:27 pm

@ Citizen.

How very nice you refuse to acknowledge the ignorant, and just plain wrong, generalization you made about all the petitioners trying to adjust school districts... as being racist in their motivations. You double down on your accusations of racism and rename it "classist". How very "Trumpian" of you. You add intellectual cowardice to your argument by casting this libel behind a virtual white hood of anonymity.

Thank you for continuing to represent the "no" side. You may not recognize your ignorance as hate, but the way you articulate things it sure comes out that way. Your logic and delusion is very much that of racist old white people that do not think they are racist. At least you can now get why Trump supporters are so difficult to debate with. Facts don't matter. They think they are pretty clever too.

Have fun in your own little Trump World. You can't hide behind pathetic cries of racism once all the facts come out about the RSD. You have no arguments, only power and incompetence. The power will come and one day it will go... and then you are left with incompetence... and a board that represents the community... not a biased, ignorant, misguided agenda.

Get back to work. The teachers of RSD are trying to rebel again...


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Posted by Citizen
a resident of another community
on Sep 14, 2018 at 5:39 pm

Brian:

I have no intention of withdrawing comments about racial or socio-economic bias, nor am I the least bit concerned with whether or not you think I "look bad." There is absolutely bias involved and it is very apparent to anyone who is objective about this topic. The ratings of Willow Oaks school are low because the students are coming from low-income households. By moving higher socio-economic students out of the district, that simply exacerbates the problem. Any one of the Pacific Parc residents could have chosen to run for the Ravenswood School Board and helped to solve the problem. Instead, they chose flight. What does that teach our kids? In my opinion that teaches them that they are not responsible for bettering their own communities. The last thing we need is more insular, selfish people in this world.

The fact remains (and anyone can just drive down Willow Road and see for themselves) that Pacific Parc is immediately adjacent to Willow Oaks School. They literally look down out of their 2nd story windows into the play ground. What they did in 1983 is not relevant (and you've only made my point - if the Willows neighborhood folks had not been permitted to leave Ravenswood in 1983, it would have a better socio-economic balance now.)

There will be a tipping point as higher socio-economic families inch further and further into EPA and East Menlo Park and they can't all just keep trying to move their homes into a different school district. Eventually they will have to invest in the school district that they actually live in. The people who choose to do that have my respect and admiration. The ones who turn a blind eye to the school right next door to them do not.

We are not likely to see eye-to-eye on this issue, Brian. I completely opposed the Pacific Parc petition and I believe the State Board was wrong in over-turning the local decision. It was a decision that just pushed the problem down the road.

Have a lovely weekend.


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Posted by Member
a resident of Menlo Park: Suburban Park/Lorelei Manor/Flood Park Triangle
on Oct 8, 2018 at 10:54 am

@Citizen

You state "...the argument that they were an island was and still is specious...The fact remains (and anyone can just drive down Willow Road and see for themselves) that Pacific Parc is immediately adjacent to Willow Oaks School. They literally look down out of their 2nd story windows into the play ground."

If you had done your research, you would know that Willow Oaks school itself is in fact an island in the MPCDS, only connected to the residents of Ravenswood City School District by a gerrymandered route of commercial and federal properties. The students that attend that school are not from the neighborhood in which it resides.

You can "think" and "feel" anything you want, but when you state "facts", please be sure they are valid.


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