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New mail-in ballot system triggers delays in election results for San Mateo County

Original post made on Nov 8, 2018

When the first, much anticipated vote counts were released by the San Mateo County Elections Office at 8:05 p.m. Tuesday, the numbers, while telling in some instances, were in many cases so low as to leave key races undetermined.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Thursday, November 8, 2018, 11:58 AM

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Posted by Robert
a resident of another community
on Nov 8, 2018 at 2:50 pm

This is colossal joke. In this unprecedented age of technology, we're relying on 1800s-era methods to count ballots by hand? If there aren't enough people to count ballots, hire some temp workers and train them. There's absolutely no excuse not to have all ballots received on or before election day counted. Someone needs to be fired over this, and we need to go back to polling places and electronic balloting.


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Posted by Make America Greater Amigo
a resident of Woodside: Family Farm/Hidden Valley
on Nov 8, 2018 at 2:57 pm

I could care less how long it takes to count. It's how long it takes to VOTE, and having a transparent, verifiable paper trail that matter.

Inexcusable to have people around the country waiting in line for hours.

This is America, not a banana republic,

Yet.


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Posted by whatever
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 8, 2018 at 4:52 pm

M.A.G.A.
I'm sure you didn't intend to make a racist comment.
Perhaps you were referring to the clothing store chain.


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Posted by Brian
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Nov 8, 2018 at 5:42 pm

Brian is a registered user.

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that the system that they are trying out is not yet ready for primetime. There has to be a way to speed up the voting process and also get timely results. It's almost 48 hours after the close of the poles and we still don't even have decent results on most of the races. This is a clear sign that we need to do better


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Posted by Make America Greater Amigo
a resident of Woodside: Family Farm/Hidden Valley
on Nov 8, 2018 at 5:46 pm

@whatever

It's not a racist statement. In fact it has been used by President Trump.


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Posted by whatever
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 8, 2018 at 6:42 pm

M.A.G.A.
"It's not a racist statement. In fact it has been used by President Trump."

I rest my case.


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Posted by David
a resident of another community
on Nov 8, 2018 at 8:00 pm

Robert, San Mateo County hires close to 100 temporary workers just to process the Vote By Mail ballots and none of them deserve to be fired for not meeting your personal standard.


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Posted by Brian
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Nov 8, 2018 at 8:44 pm

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Robert,

I do think expecting election results to be nearly complete 48 hours after an election is a "personal standard". The vote by mail system, at least as implemented by the County of San Mateo, is a step backward in regards to getting results quickly. I think they need to go back to a different solution while they work out the problems.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Nov 9, 2018 at 6:48 am

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Since vote by mail ballots must be counted if they are postmarked on or before election day there is NO WAY that those ballots will all be received by the Election Office within 48 hours much less counted.

Why do we have to have instantaneous election results?

The votes were each finalized when they were cast and knowing what the exact number is is more important that knowing the wring number right away.

Just look at the current Arizona Senate and Florida Senate and Governor's races.


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Posted by Make America Greater Amigo
a resident of Woodside: Family Farm/Hidden Valley
on Nov 9, 2018 at 8:10 am

Not a racist phrase - wiki:

"In political science, the term banana republic describes a politically unstable country with an economy dependent upon the exportation of a limited-resource product, such as bananas or minerals.

In 1901, the American author O. Henry coined the term to describe Honduras and neighbouring countries under economic exploitation by U.S. corporations, such as the United Fruit Company. Typically, a banana republic has a society of extremely stratified social classes, usually a large impoverished working class and a ruling-class plutocracy, composed of the business, political and military elites of that society."

Please offer more than your opinion if ye seeks to continue.

.

re: late count and duration - I'm with Peter. Late and accurate is better than alternatives. But go ahead and raise taxes to pay for it if you want results efficiently tabulated faster. For sure - having a transparent, verifiable paper trail.

We may not YET be a banana republic, but clearly our ADHD society demands faster results.


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Posted by Roca Thompson Welch
a resident of another community
on Nov 9, 2018 at 12:09 pm

Having a verifiable paper trail is more important than speed of results. Please check into how programmable scanners and voting machines are not tested well and can bias the results. The election process can be improved, not doubt. But speed should not be the requirement. While less than 40% of eligible voters show up because they don't think their vote matters, we must do everything we can to prove their vote is counted properly.


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Posted by Lunch out Front
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 9, 2018 at 12:20 pm

Roca nails it.

Accuracy, verifiable thru paper trails.


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Posted by Michael G. Stogner
a resident of another community
on Nov 9, 2018 at 1:06 pm

A most important number in this election is How many Ballots did Mark Church mail out?

We know former San Mateo County Harbor District Commissioner Will Holsinger received two.

San Carlos Councilman Mark Olbert is calling for an Audit.

We know the DOJ had observers in SMC this election.

Web Link


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Posted by Michael G. Stogner
a resident of another community
on Nov 9, 2018 at 1:08 pm

As of today there are at least 146,378 ballots to be tallied


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Posted by gina
a resident of Menlo Park: Stanford Weekend Acres
on Nov 11, 2018 at 3:06 pm

gina is a registered user.

Why can't they just go back to the good olden days were X's and O's marked the spot. And separate them in their respected piles. Or punch hole cards were officials just put the voted cards in an automated counting machines like the ones the casinos and banks use to count the money. Get rid of the system of matching people to signatures and addresses. Count machines would give us a faster idea of who's ahead or not. What happened to the days when we voted early in the morning by 8 am and have all the results in before the day was over. Current system sucks and needs a complete overhaul. When it comes to the way we vote and they are tallied I am ashamed to call myself an American when I go cast by votes. Should have remained a Canuk and stayed in the mother country instead of becoming an American Citizen. At least our way of voting up in Canada we had results come in faster.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Nov 11, 2018 at 6:27 pm

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Gina - the mail ballot system allows many more people to actually vote than the old voting place procedure. And counting all ballot that were mailed on or before election day is much fairer than what the State of Flrida does which requires that mail in ballot must be received by the close of election day - that system has invalidated thousands of votes cast in Florida because they arrived too late.

A democratic election depends on high participation, accurate and complete counting - not on a speedy result.


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Posted by Brian
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Nov 14, 2018 at 9:31 am

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Is anyone else surprised and disappointed at the slow vote counting happening in San Mateo County? There was an update yesterday, 1 week after the election was held, and the number of votes counted in District 2 went up by a whopping 22. The other districts also barely changed in number. We should have had fully a fully certified election at this point but instead the votes are trickling in in drips and drabs. What is going on? How long until we actually get full results of the election?

This is what it says on the official election site for the update yesterday:

"Results include: a portion of Vote by Mail ballots received in the mail, electronic votes from all the Vote Centers, and a portion of paper ballots cast at Vote Centers.
Still to count: a portion of Vote by Mail ballots received in the mail, Vote by Mail ballots dropped off at Vote Centers or Drop Boxes, a portion of paper ballots cast at Vote Centers and all provisional ballots."

Is this what we can expect for future elections?


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Posted by Lunch out Front
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 14, 2018 at 11:29 am

Who cares? Mail takes awhile.

Accuracy, verifiable thru paper trails - that's what 'counts'.


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Posted by Brian
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Nov 14, 2018 at 11:34 am

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While I agree accuracy is important, it should not take weeks to get results in. Mail within the county should take at most 3 days. The process seems to have 15 steps to it which is amazingly slow. I think the county needs to back up and find a better, more efficient way of counting the ballots.

In fact many people care, wouldn't you like to know who won the elections? If Measure W passed? I certainly would.


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Nov 14, 2018 at 11:47 am

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By law the County MUST include military ballots that were postmarked on or before election days. Depending on the individual's duty station such ballots could take weeks to arrive at the elections office.


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Posted by waiting game
a resident of Atherton: other
on Nov 14, 2018 at 12:01 pm

Two years ago, Taylor received 1,195 votes from the precincts that are now in District 1. With only 330 votes for her so far, we can assume that 25% to 30% of votes have been counted so far.


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Posted by bean counter
a resident of Menlo Park: Felton Gables
on Nov 14, 2018 at 3:50 pm

Has her highness Kirsten Keith made any comments on the election results?


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Posted by Jack Hickey
a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Nov 14, 2018 at 4:30 pm

Jack Hickey is a registered user.

Mark Church should be recalled. The all mail ballot is a disaster. And, it lends itself to fraud. Voters can easily sign their ballots and sell them to unscrupulous organizations or individuals. Since thumb prints are now required for drivers licenses in California, we should require such identification at the polls. And, absentee ballots should be notarized for authenticity.

See: Web Link


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Posted by Jack Hickey
a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Nov 14, 2018 at 4:43 pm

Jack Hickey is a registered user.

See also: Web Link


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Posted by Make America Greater Amigo
a resident of Woodside: Family Farm/Hidden Valley
on Nov 14, 2018 at 4:51 pm

jack: "And, it lends itself to fraud."

How much ballot fraud has occurred in this county due to mail ballots in the last decade?

How much ballot fraud has occurred in this county *in any manner* in the last decade?


jack: "Voters can easily sign their ballots and sell them to unscrupulous organizations or individuals."

Has there been ANYTHING like this in San Mateo County in the last ten years? Voters easily selling ballots to unscrupulous organizations?

Twenty years?

Thirty years?

Forty years?


Other than arch-conservatives Dinesh D'souza (guilty of campaign-finance violations) and Ann Coulter (falsified voter registration), who are the most famous illegal voters in the the US in the last decade?

Breitbart? That's your source?




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Posted by Make America Greater Amigo
a resident of Woodside: Family Farm/Hidden Valley
on Nov 14, 2018 at 4:55 pm

jack's last link:

"Voter fraud, by any method, is still rare. A study by News21 — a consortium of journalism schools — found 867 cases since 2000 in which someone had admitted guilt or been convicted of a voter-fraud offense. That was out of about 146 million registered voters."

"But some kinds of fraud seem rarer than others. Just seven of these cases involved “voter impersonation” at the polls."


867 cases since 2000 ... out of about 146 million

7 cases of voter impersonation


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Posted by Mission Accomplished
a resident of another community
on Nov 14, 2018 at 6:06 pm

Wait -- you expect Jack Hickey to read the links he cites???


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Posted by Jack Hickey
a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Nov 14, 2018 at 10:35 pm

Jack Hickey is a registered user.

How many people work for cash and don't report it as income? That's illegal! How many get away with it?


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Posted by Mission Accomplished
a resident of another community
on Nov 14, 2018 at 11:27 pm

Jack Hickey -- "How many people work for cash and don't report it as income? That's illegal! How many get away with it?"

And this has to do with with voting in what way, exactly?

Let's face facts here: Aaron Nayfack won election for the Sequoia Healthcare District seat for Zone C. No evidence exists that election fraud was involved in the outcome.

So stop insinuating otherwise.


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Posted by Jack Hickey
a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Nov 15, 2018 at 2:42 pm

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It is so easy to just sign your "all mail" ballot and swap it for something you want. The fact that there are few prosecutions is not surprising. It's virtually undetectable. The system needs to be more accountable.


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Posted by Make America Greater Amigo
a resident of Woodside: Family Farm/Hidden Valley
on Nov 15, 2018 at 3:27 pm

"The fact that there are few prosecutions is not surprising."

No, not surprising at all. Same reason as sightings of pigs flying - it doesn't happen.

PROVE IT.


Please answer the other questions about your ridiculous accusations that you ignored:
- How much ballot fraud has occurred in this county due to mail ballots in the last decade?
- How much ballot fraud has occurred in this county *in any manner* in the last decade?
- Has there been ANYTHING like ballot selling in San Mateo County in the last ten years? Voters easily selling ballots to unscrupulous organizations?
- Twenty years?
- Thirty years?
- Forty years?
- Other than arch-conservatives Dinesh D'souza (guilty of campaign-finance violations) and Ann Coulter (falsified voter registration), who are the most famous illegal voters in the the US in the last decade?



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Posted by Mission Accomplished
a resident of another community
on Nov 15, 2018 at 4:11 pm

He can't answer your questions, for the simple reason that he has NO evidence to back his "assertions."

He's still in shock over the fact that he lost the election he thought he had won, and instead of acknowledging what happened and moving on, he's coming up with crazy conspiracy theories.

Nayfack definitely won't be doing any of that while in office.


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Posted by Lunch out Front
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Nov 17, 2018 at 3:46 pm

Virtually zero ballot fraud around here. What an absurd notion.

Disgraceful.


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Posted by Jack Hickey
a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Dec 6, 2018 at 4:43 pm

Jack Hickey is a registered user.

As of 4:30 the vote has not been finalized. Disgraceful!


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Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Atherton: Lindenwood
on Dec 6, 2018 at 5:00 pm

Peter Carpenter is a registered user.

"Results were certified on December 6th, 2018."

Web Link


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Posted by goof
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Dec 6, 2018 at 5:27 pm

Jack Hickey - why don't you try to do something positive for Americans? How about you go picket Trump International New Jersey, objecting to Trump employing 'illegals' for years?

Because your grift about Ballot Fraud in San Mateo is just too bizarre. You're running for office again, aren't you? Going to lie about term limits again?


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Posted by Oar Crew
a resident of Atherton: other
on Dec 7, 2018 at 1:02 pm

Some crazy accusations. This ain't the GOP in NC.


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Posted by Jack Hickey
a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Dec 7, 2018 at 1:36 pm

Jack Hickey is a registered user.

Quote from today's Daily Post:
Ballot harvesting, where people go around and col­lect and turn in voters' ballots for them, along with voters registered on Election Day, have possibly re­sulted in the shift in results in multiple races up and down the state where it initially looked like the more conservative candidate or option was winning, and instead the more progressive options won.

What a big surprise!

Does Elections compare the color of the signature with the actual votes?

But then, there are no "political operatives" in San Mateo County who would do such a thing!

Of course the Elections Department does provide daily updates on who has not turned in their ballots so political parties can "get out the vote". They used to have poll watchers on election day check that information. It's much simpler now that we have the all-mail ballot.

The biggest problem with the election process is the "electioneering" by government agencies using tax dollars. Sam Trans and San Mateo County, who spent $1,500,000 on a campaign run by TBWB to pass a 1/2% sales tax(Measure W), are an example of such "electioneering". See: Web Link


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Posted by Mission Accomplished
a resident of another community
on Dec 7, 2018 at 4:08 pm

Uh, Jack -- the "quote" you reference as "proof"?

It's. Garbage.

Now be a good boy and acknowledge that you lost, and that you won't dispute that FACT.


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Posted by Jack Hickey
a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Dec 7, 2018 at 4:18 pm

Jack Hickey is a registered user.

We are all victims of the Measure W scam.


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Posted by Mission Accomplished
a resident of another community
on Dec 7, 2018 at 4:24 pm

Really, Hickey?

No proof of anything (and no, "quotes" from the Daily Post don't count as evidence). Lots of allegations. And zero acknowledgement that you indeed lost your bid for re-election.

Just. Stop. It. Already.


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Posted by Circular
a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Dec 7, 2018 at 7:55 pm

Can I get a quote from the Washington examiner too? About as useful.

Any actual evidence,Jack? Did you ever harvest for any race? Any election?


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Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Dec 7, 2018 at 8:21 pm

Menlo Voter. is a registered user.

Mission:

why is the quote "garbage"?


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Posted by Mission Accomplished
a resident of another community
on Dec 7, 2018 at 8:58 pm

The quote is "garbage" for a simple reason, "Voter": NO proof. NO evidence. NO NOTHING.

It is nothing more than an attempt by the Daily Post -- the most pro-Trump publication in this area outside of the Epoch Times -- to change the subject. There IS actual voter fraud in the case of the Congressional race in North Carolina, where ballots were bought from voters in order to cast fraudulent votes; there is NO proof of anything like that in California, at all.

Jack Hickey can't accept that he lost his bid for re-election. So he's tossing out conspiracy theories.


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