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Political polarization sparks confrontation at Starbucks, triggering online fury

Original post made on Apr 3, 2019

In the latest example of social-media fueled extremism, a heated confrontation over politics in a Palo Alto Starbucks on Monday has gone viral nationwide, leading to reported death threats and also calls for greater dialogue and empathy.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, April 3, 2019, 9:45 AM

Comments (37)

Posted by Alan
a resident of Menlo Park: Belle Haven
on Apr 3, 2019 at 11:37 am

While I have significant policy differences with President Trump, my biggest problem with him is his incivility. The toxic atmosphere in politics means little discussion of actual policy seems to take place anymore between opposing sides; it's all about smearing the other side. I don't really understand why this isn't more of a problem with Trump's supporters, and I guess I never will. However, as tempting as it may be to some people, addressing incivility with incivility only reinforces it. This lady should understand she only added fuel to the fire. In the minds of some people, she only reinforced the notion that people who oppose Trump tend to be hostile extremists. I want government to be boring and reasonable again.


Posted by MAGA, always greater
a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Apr 3, 2019 at 12:00 pm

I've had much discourse with MAGA-clad supporters - always interesting.

The question they always fail to answer for me: when did America become NOT great? What date? We used to be great, according to your logo - what day did that change for you?

It usually becomes uncivil at that point, alas.

Civility, please.


Posted by NoFascism
a resident of Atherton: West of Alameda
on Apr 3, 2019 at 12:53 pm

This is a scary article. It sound like the Fascism that we are in danger of succumbing to is the Fascism of Politically Correct Group Think where there is no such thing as an honest disagreement without one side or the other being labelled as evil.

I'm not a Trump supporter by any means, but honestly, the idea that there can be no dissenting views or discussion allowed is more scary to me than Trump's seemingly wrong-headed policies.


Posted by gordyvon
a resident of another community
on Apr 3, 2019 at 1:21 pm

One word to the vigilante: Institutionalization...


Posted by stan
a resident of Portola Valley: Los Trancos Woods/Vista Verde
on Apr 3, 2019 at 2:05 pm

It would appear that Ms Mankey has taken a page out of Hitler's guide book on using the likes of the Sturmabteilung, literally Storm Detachment, to use violence to reinforce the liberal idealism of the Bayshore Progressive Democrats. When civil dialog breaks down it provides a breeding ground for anarchy and extremism. Those that provide only mild lip service to disowning this behavior are treading a slippery slope towards creating more of that which they profess to detest.


Posted by Emerson Swan
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Hills
on Apr 3, 2019 at 2:06 pm

The only fascist behavior I see in the thread is the person who called the man wearing the MAGA apparel fascist.

I believe her behavior, as reported, crosses the line of assault. Was she charged?

Hey, I like almost nothing about Trump. But I despise polarized slogan shouting in all forms. If a person cannot sit calmly and explore positions, they are not having a desicussion. They are not making an argument. It is worthless. More than that, it has a very negative value. Shameful behavior.

If I could make it a crime, I would. And the sentence would be feeding each other's family for a month, and eating together. If anybody gets angry, no desert. Let the kids negotiate peace.


Posted by Walter Paulsen
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Heights
on Apr 3, 2019 at 2:15 pm

Walter Paulsen is a registered user.

It's vigilante purists like this lady that contribute to the breakdown of civil society. I'm strongly opposed to Trump's policies and vulgar tactics, but the right approach is to follow the lead of Speaker Pelosi and be resolute in supporting progressive values, without dropping into the gutter of name calling and denying facts. It's hard to remember it at times like this, but like MLK jr. once said, "the arc of the moral universe may be long, but it curves towards justice."


Posted by Jane Gill
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Apr 3, 2019 at 2:19 pm

[Post removed; stick to the subject.]


Posted by Elizabeth
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Apr 3, 2019 at 3:46 pm

As my mother told me, “it’s easy to be nice to people you like, but how you treat people that don’t agree with your point of view tells the world what you are really like.” Ms. Mankey may be nice to her friends, but is an angry lady. There are so many ways to handle a point of view different from how you see the world. This is not one of them.


Posted by whatever
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Apr 3, 2019 at 3:52 pm

74 is not elderly, 80 maybe, but not 74.


Posted by jack wray
a resident of another community
on Apr 3, 2019 at 4:08 pm

jack wray is a registered user.

Who’s actions in this pitiful assault represent hateful, bigoted behavior? Try looking in the mirror, ms Mankey.


Posted by Hillsider
a resident of Portola Valley: Portola Valley Ranch
on Apr 3, 2019 at 4:12 pm

Why am I not surprised this happened in Palo Alto. Middle class conflict at its ugliest


Posted by pearl
a resident of another community
on Apr 3, 2019 at 4:36 pm

pearl is a registered user.

Politics aside, if I were this man, I would make the Palo Alto Police Department aware of this incident and Mrs. Mankey's threats.


Posted by I Was There
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Apr 3, 2019 at 5:28 pm

I witnessed this event. Mankey was loud, obnoxious, and was moving toward the man in a very aggressive manner. At first it was difficult to figure out what was going on but it quickly became obvious that she was out of control and in a rage against this older man, who was just enjoying his quiet time. I think it likely that no one intervened because she was very scary, and physical violence was at less possible. When I read that she had lost her job I thought about how difficult it would be to share an office with someone so intolerant and angry that she would take her rage out on someone who is very entitled to his own beliefs.


Posted by Sigh...
a resident of Woodside: Skywood/Skylonda
on Apr 3, 2019 at 9:50 pm

Make Mankey Human Again!



If “MAGA” bothers you, just imagine it stands for “Make America Grateful Again.”


Posted by MAGA, always greater
a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Apr 4, 2019 at 8:27 am

"We used to be great, according to your logo - what day did that change for you?"

Sigh, I guess I'll never get an answer.

Had a great discussion over dinner the other night with some old friends from the polar opposite end of the political spectrum - we all bemoaned that folks won't sit down and break bread, the best way to understand each other.


Posted by Sick of it all
a resident of Woodside: Woodside Hills
on Apr 4, 2019 at 11:02 am

The fact that no one said anything to Mankey while she went off on her rant speaks volumes about the folks in that coffee shop and Palo Alto. If you remained silent, you condone that type of discourse in public. Question - If someone had gone off on a Hilary/Obama/Sanders/Warren/Booker et al, would you have remained silent? I suspect not. You're hypocrites. Wealthy, ivory tower hypocrites.


Posted by I Was There
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Apr 4, 2019 at 12:34 pm

To Sick of It All: You were not there. It was a volatile situation and could have easily led to violence had anyone confronted her. Don't assume everyone was siding with her as that is simply not true. Intolerance on either side is not a good thing. Look in the mirror.


Posted by John Ullom
a resident of another community
on Apr 4, 2019 at 12:37 pm

I don't get Trump or Trump supporters but people like Mankey are as scary as people like Alex Jones.


Posted by henry fox
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Apr 4, 2019 at 1:43 pm

henry fox is a registered user.

Glad to see this discussion.
I met a gentleman on Sunday who had recently moved here from NYC. He describe us as liberal fascists and, because of our nimbyism, hyper hypocrites.


Posted by whatever
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Apr 4, 2019 at 4:52 pm

Henry,
Did you suggest to him that perhaps he would be happier moving back to NYC?


Posted by MAGA, always greater
a resident of Menlo Park: Fair Oaks
on Apr 5, 2019 at 7:13 am

" He describe us as liberal fascists"

That's exactly the guy I would hope could answer: when did America become not great?

1776?
1860? (1864?)
1929?
1945?
1968?
2008?

"liberal fascists" is a phrase that implies he's just the guy to ask, no?


Posted by henry fox
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Apr 5, 2019 at 8:29 am

henry fox is a registered user.

Whatever,
I showed your comment to the gentleman from NYC who called us liberal fascists and hypocrits. He said that your comment, that I should go back to NYC, proves his point.


Posted by MAGA
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Apr 5, 2019 at 9:15 am

A young white man wearing a MAGA hat was just arrested in San Francisco for using a sword to try to cut off the hand of another man. Where is the right wing outrage for this terrorist act? Newspaper report: Web Link

A few days ago, a white woman working at a gas station in San Jose was caught on video yelling "build the wall" at a Spanish-speaking customer. ABC News has the video. Any comment from the right wing national media? Web Link


Posted by Brooklyn
a resident of Atherton: other
on Apr 5, 2019 at 9:46 am

Henry...

What does your buddy say about a date for when America ceased being great?

MAGA seems like an unpatriotic phrase, to me.


Posted by Awayback
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Apr 5, 2019 at 12:55 pm

Few people notice how anti-American MAGA really is... America *IS* great, not *was* great.

Clearly a Putin plot.

;)


Posted by henry fox
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Apr 5, 2019 at 3:37 pm

henry fox is a registered user.

brooklyn
My friend does not support Trump.
But he has been shut down when not towing the liberal line here.
And sees lots of not-so-liberal nimbyism.
It's a view from outside the Valley which is worth examining, not belittling.


Posted by whatever
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Apr 5, 2019 at 4:27 pm

Henry. I didn't say he should go back, only asked if he would be happier, a simple conern for his well being. He's welcome to stay here as long as he likes, complaints and all.


Posted by whatever
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Apr 5, 2019 at 4:36 pm

Henry, btw a "gentleman" would not call folks fascists for being liberals
Now the "mohawk" lady who started all this could quite accurately be described as a fanatic fascist whatever.


Posted by John Ullom
a resident of another community
on Apr 5, 2019 at 4:50 pm

America has gone crazy: -- Web Link


Posted by Video!
a resident of Portola Valley: Central Portola Valley
on Apr 6, 2019 at 12:21 pm

Someone post the video of the incident!!! This would go viral so quickly


Posted by Jobs are great
a resident of Portola Valley: other
on Apr 6, 2019 at 12:54 pm

If I remember correctly, Trump was referring to jobs, specifically manufacturing jobs, when he said he wanted to make America great again (ie bring manufacturing jobs back to America). As for a date, Clinton signed EO 12850 (widely credited with sending millions of manufacturing jobs overseas) in 1993. Prior to the influx of cheap imports, many equated the quality of American made products with greatness.


Posted by mper
a resident of Menlo Park: Suburban Park/Lorelei Manor/Flood Park Triangle
on Apr 6, 2019 at 6:35 pm

This woman is not well.


Posted by pearl
a resident of another community
on Apr 6, 2019 at 8:04 pm

pearl is a registered user.

See man interviewed here:
Web Link


Posted by Mott El Marri
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Apr 6, 2019 at 8:13 pm

"If I remember correctly, Trump was referring to jobs"

No. I can't find that statement.

And if it was jobs, Trump Org wouldn't bring in so many foreign visa workers for their properties. And made their products in China.

Right?


Posted by isaidso
a resident of Woodside School
on Apr 8, 2019 at 2:08 pm

No one can make you behave or misbehave. As an adult, you and only you are in full control of how you treat people. I don't care what clothing advertises. If it makes you mad - find a way to control your petty anger and please stop blaming hats and t-shirts. Deal or find a therapist to help control your anger. There is nothing right or okay with the way you treat people that have voted differently than you.

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Posted by isaidso
a resident of Woodside School
on Apr 8, 2019 at 2:47 pm

pretty amazing the almanac removes anything negative about hillary but will allow negative statements about President Trump to remain on this thread. almanac controls what it wants its readers to see!

shameful reporting and controlling of what people read. the editors of this real estate advertising rag are part of the hate problem.


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