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Menlo Park unveils three conceptual plans for Middle Ave bike/ped crossing

Original post made on May 15, 2019

Menlo Park transportation engineers and consultants unveiled three conceptual designs for a bike and pedestrian crossing beneath the Caltrain tracks at Middle Avenue on Monday.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 11:16 AM

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Posted by Wrong Location
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 15, 2019 at 12:25 pm

Why isn't the tunnel closer to the park and library? It seems this will exit onto Alma in a residential area. Also spending $20M to eliminate the need to walk 2 blocks, to Ravenswood, seems like a waste of taxpayer money. City Council please remember it is not your money, it is the taxpayers who are footing the bill.


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Posted by Linda U
a resident of another community
on May 15, 2019 at 12:34 pm

As a former MP resident I question why not make Middle Avenue extend under the tracks too? The majority of the traffic problems come from the cars using the Ravenswood Ave crossing. Yes, spend that amount of money, but include auto traffic too!


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Posted by Robert
a resident of another community
on May 15, 2019 at 1:18 pm

It's more important to spend this money on grade separations for the rest of Menlo Park so that Caltrain can speed by unimpeded in advance of electrification. If MP is going to spend a ton of money, put it to good use, not this vanity project.


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Posted by Mark
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on May 15, 2019 at 1:19 pm

A "Linda U" from another community asks why Middle Avenue isn't extended to Alma, under the railroad tracks, for vehicular traffic as well as for pedestrians and cyclists. Apart from the engineering impracticalities of getting trucks and buses below the tracks with sufficient clearance and returning them to road level in the very short space between the railroad ROW and Alma street (all but impossible without usurping a chunk of Burgess Park and perhaps other property east of Alma) and the added cost of such an undertaking (it would be, what, 2-3 times the estimates above without eminent domain?), there is the small matter of my Linfield Oaks neighborhood welcoming thousands of extra car trips each day. Welcoming the very notion with litigation, that is. The idea of a Willow Expressway connecting to El Camino and/or Sand Hill is decades old but is pretty much a non-starter these days, as is the suggestion to allow vehicular access via a tunnel just to the Stanford project parking garage(s).


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Posted by John Kadvany
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on May 15, 2019 at 2:24 pm

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When I was on the planning commission the informal cost estimate was $17 million.


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Posted by Jenson
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on May 15, 2019 at 3:46 pm

@ wrong location

It appears, if you believe the rendering, the bike tunnel will be positioned near the little league field. It is in the park and just a short walk to the library. Putting it closer to the library will put it in the area where the street is to narrow. This is a good location to reach the pool, gym, gymnastics center and playing fields. Not everyone’s priority is the library


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Posted by whatever
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on May 15, 2019 at 4:20 pm

$20 million plus for an effing ped/bike tunnel!What an immense waste of our tax dollars.


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Posted by Catherine
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on May 15, 2019 at 7:30 pm

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I'd love to see actual mock-ups but I'm liking the idea. Sending kids on their bikes to M-A if you live in Central Menlo (a ridiculous addition of car trips from our standpoint) was terrifying. Ravenswood is horribly designed for all users: the two-lane car traffic goes into a funnel right past the tracks, people turn from Burgess, and scores of cyclists have to be on the same stretch as cars at the very same time. Perhaps people who live east of ECR and send their kids to Hillview would welcome knowing that there is a safer option as well. And if they don't bike now because it is too scary for young cyclists, perhaps a safer option would make that possible.


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Posted by No Easy Solutions
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on May 15, 2019 at 11:15 pm

Definitely not a vanity project and see benefit for the overall community, as a faster and safer route then via Ravenswood/Alma intersection. Families walking or biking to activities at Burgess, students biking to school and home, bike commuters needing to get to work, etc.

However, it is pricey at $20M. The Homer st bike/ped tunnel in Palo Alto, opened in 2005 and it cost $5M. Web Link. Why does the Middle project cost significantly more?


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Posted by George Fisher
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on May 16, 2019 at 9:14 am

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The usability of this tunnel will be restricted by the number of pedestrians and bicyclists willing to pragmatically attempt to cross El Camino Real, or the even more foreboding task of safely and efficiently getting to or from the Middle/ECR intersection across the Stanford project or to and from west of ECR.. Any review of tunnel cost and design should be combined with review of cost and design of pedestrians and cyclist routes accessing and crossing El Camino, with goal of maximizing use of both.


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Posted by Dana Hendrickson
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on May 16, 2019 at 12:27 pm

A Middle-Alma bike and pedestrian connections is greatly needed and long overdue. However. I doubt that it can be completed by the time Middle Plaza opens and that is extremely unfortunate.

It needs to be flexible enough to work with whatever grade separation is ultimately approved and funded.

I recommend that it connect to Alma at Burgess Drive and a traffic light be added at this intersection.

I am confident the city can secure funding beyond what Stanford has committed.

Let's avoid unnecessary delays and make this project TRULY a high priority.

Good Luck!


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Posted by Tell Me More
a resident of Menlo Park: South of Seminary/Vintage Oaks
on May 16, 2019 at 2:37 pm

Dana, please elaborate about outside funding sources. Is your confidence merely a hope or does it have teeth? Is there funding you know about and can share with the rest of us? The city has already gotten $500,000 from the county transportation bucket and that was to design the options we are now seeing.

Stanford has an endowment of $24 Billion but the university has decided to not pay property tax on either the office or the housing because Stanford affiliates will use both. Why doesn't the university cough up the cost of this one project - the undercrossing?

Palo Alto's School District is now facing Stanford's request to expand the campus construction of buildings and the negotiations don't seem to be going well. It is ironic that an institution whose mission is to educate would choose to not pay for the education of children whose parents work at or attend the university.

Tell us what you know. This is not a time for secrets or misinformation or empty promises. Why doesn't the City put a stop to this project now and wait until the buildings are built and occupied. After a few years Stanford will realize that their office and housing tenants want a safe route to our beautiful Burgess Park and all the amenities it offers. Our Public amenities that these Stanford tenants will use for free and we the property owners in Meno Park will subsidize them as we will subsidize the children of these tenants who will attend our schools. That's OUR property taxes, our sales taxes will subsidize a university with an endowment of $24 Billion.


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Posted by middle cyclist
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on May 16, 2019 at 11:44 pm

Concept 2 should be a no-go because of safety and security concerns. Tunnel entrance must be observable/visible from ways away...
Also lighting is important to consider, so there is no space for stalkers and pervs to hide out.


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Posted by Missing element
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on May 17, 2019 at 2:40 am

The big missing element is what Fisher mentions: how will bicyclists safely get down Middle and across El Camino? Unless and until that is clear, no decision can be made responsibly about the train crossing.
Not addressing the whole picture is a giant failure of our city’s decision making process.


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Posted by George Fisher
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on May 17, 2019 at 3:05 pm

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Update. The City Council on May 16 posted agenda for May 21 meeting which includes review of a staff report that addresses bike and pedestrian routes along Middle from Olive to El Camino Real (attachment B). Web Link

Attachment B is a diagram of the project on a page which looks promising, and worthy of review in connection with the proposed undercrossing of train tracks. The connecting route through the Stanford project is not clear.


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Posted by Crazy plan
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on May 22, 2019 at 7:46 am

Why on earth does anyone think it would be safe for bikes to be headed in two directions across the driveway to Safeway? Drivers are distracted and not looking for bikes zooming by from both directions. Unsafe

Why also does the proposal suggest something similar near the San Mateo bike bridge street?

This design needs thorough discussion and plenty of outreach


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Posted by George Fisher
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on May 23, 2019 at 12:39 pm

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Crazy plan is right. Traffic in an out of Safeway on Middle is a huge problem for cyclists and pedestrians. Plenty of outreach and review at the same time with access design from Middle to the proposed Stanford project undercrossing is essential to avoid two white elephants.


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Posted by That will work
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on May 23, 2019 at 7:57 pm

NOT.
Making cyclists cross Middle Twice within 3 blocks, that is.

Most cyclists can't even be bothered to ride on the right/correct side of Middle right now.

I see some lawsuits in the MP future.


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