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Atherton signs off on Caltrain proposal to permanently close its train station

Original post made on Jan 18, 2020

The Atherton City Council decided on Wednesday, Jan. 15, to accept a proposal from Caltrain to permanently close the town's train station.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, January 17, 2020, 3:50 PM

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23 people like this
Posted by CA Love
a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Jan 18, 2020 at 8:56 am

Dear Mayor,

This is not progress. A Town closing its rail station in the year 2020, in the middle of the megapolis known as Silicon Valley, is a crime against progress and humanity. This is not progressive but a regression. This after decades of fighting Caltrain over everything.

What’s next? Closing down a couple lanes on El Camino?

With sadness and shame I call myself an Atherton resident


20 people like this
Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Jan 18, 2020 at 9:23 am

It is simple - The Town Council of the Independent Republic of Atherton/ Duchy of Grand Fenwick wishes to remove itself from all "foreign entanglements" such as CalTrain, the Fire District etc.

Next is will be looking for ways to "get back" the millions of dollars of income taxes that its residents pay to the State and Federal government because all of those dollars are not spent within the boundaries of the Town of Atherton.


18 people like this
Posted by Farrah
a resident of Atherton: Lloyden Park
on Jan 18, 2020 at 12:15 pm

Sadly, we will soon no longer be able to use a train station we live nearby. We enjoyed our weekend train excursions to Redwood City. Definitely not safe to walk with a stroller to their downtown district, especially on the 4th of July. Removing the train station makes us feel a bit disconnected from the towns nearby


38 people like this
Posted by Reading comprehension
a resident of another community
on Jan 18, 2020 at 12:35 pm

It would appear that reading comprehension is a struggle for Mr. Carpenter and 'CA Love'.

1: Caltrain...NOT Atherton...controls whether there is a train station in Atherton. Caltrain does NOT need Atherton's approval to close the station.

2: Given some of the antagonism between Caltrain and Atherton in recent years, it's clear that Caltrain wanted to avoid further litigation and/or political entanglements with the town.

3: Caltrain found what many find to be a win-win, or at a bare minimum is a reasonable compromise. In a nutshell...

* Caltrain gets:
- saves $25-$30 million in rebuilding the Atherton hold-out station, which they would have HAD to do; the current configuration is UNSAFE. Even if Caltrains needs to spend $8 million for the quad-gates and other improvements, that's still $17-22 million in savings.
- slightly reduced travel times for local trains.
- slightly easier train scheduling, as they won't need to factor in train dwell times at the Atherton station as part of train movements.

* Atherton gets (potentially, assuming Caltrain honors the implications of their letter:
- Safer crossing at Watkins, with quad-gates being deployed.
- An expanded and more-useful quiet zone.
- More usable space (likely parking) around the town center and library.


13 people like this
Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Jan 18, 2020 at 12:41 pm

No problem with reading comprehension -"the Atherton City Council decided on Wednesday, Jan. 15, to accept a proposal from Caltrain to permanently close the town's train station."


19 people like this
Posted by Reading Comprehension
a resident of another community
on Jan 18, 2020 at 12:44 pm

Thank you for making my point:

"to accept a PROPOSAL FROM CALTRAIN to permanently close the town's train station"


12 people like this
Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Jan 18, 2020 at 12:56 pm

It is simple - The Town Council of the Independent Republic of Atherton/ Duchy of Grand Fenwick wishes to remove itself from all "foreign entanglements" such as CalTrain, the Fire District etc.


23 people like this
Posted by reading comprehension
a resident of another community
on Jan 18, 2020 at 2:31 pm

The town's policy for 15 years has been to advocate for full service at the Atherton station, which contradicts your 'foreign entanglements' false assertion.


5 people like this
Posted by Sceptical
a resident of Woodside: other
on Jan 18, 2020 at 3:36 pm

With Atherton removing the train station, does that mean it also avoids upzoning? It would have been nice to see denser more affordable housing...


15 people like this
Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Jan 18, 2020 at 3:53 pm

"The town's policy for 15 years has been to advocate for full service at the Atherton station, which contradicts your 'foreign entanglements' false assertion."

No -for the Town Council it is"my way or the highway". They did not get full service so they got rid of this foreign entanglement..


3 people like this
Posted by Rick Moen
a resident of Menlo Park: University Heights
on Jan 19, 2020 at 12:28 pm

I hope the town, very soon, takes seriously the need for a pedestrian/bicycle path from Watkins Ave. southwards to Encinal Ave. (five short blocks) -- both for the benefit of Athertonians getting to CalTrain and for other walkers and bicyclists. Currently, there really is no southwards passage at all between Elena Ave. and Middlefield, except for the deeply scary and hazardous walk or ride along El Camino Real.

One might imagine a path paralleling the west side of the tracks, essentially connecting Dinkelspiel Station Lane @ Watkins to Garwood Way @ Encinal. Am guessing such a passage would have to be paved on the edge of the former Southern Pacific right of way, so would require coordination with CalTrain. A possibly cheaper and easier alternative would be opening a gate from the southwest corner of Holbrook Palmer Park to Felton Drive (if the Felton Drive residents wouldn't have a cow over the very idea, which they well might).

Not that I think either course of action's likely given sempiternal town politics, mind you, but I thought I'd mention them for the record.


22 people like this
Posted by reading comprehension
a resident of another community
on Jan 19, 2020 at 3:51 pm

>"The town's policy for 15 years has been
> to advocate for full service at the
> Atherton station, which contradicts your
> 'foreign entanglements' false assertion."
>
> No

What an odd position to take. They were "my way or the highway" living with a mostly-closed station for 15 years?

Waiting 15 years clearly undermines that argument.


8 people like this
Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Jan 19, 2020 at 4:21 pm

"Waiting 15 years .."

No one ever said that this Town Council does anything quickly.


11 people like this
Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Jan 20, 2020 at 2:24 am

To put the Town Council's efficiency, or lack thereof, in perspective note that in 2014 they identified ten so-called municipal services provided to Town residents:

Web Link

They also noted that " This list is not exhaustive as many other agencies (regional, state and federal) serve the needs of the community. "

And yet SIX years later the Town Council has only addressed one of these services and accomplished nothing of value for Atherton residents even in that review.


4 people like this
Posted by John Donald
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Jan 20, 2020 at 12:54 pm

Does this get Atherton out of its S.B. 50 requirements?


2 people like this
Posted by Joseph E. Davis
a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Jan 20, 2020 at 1:14 pm

No because it's still a job rich area, so density limits will be waived.


5 people like this
Posted by Dano
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Jan 20, 2020 at 5:06 pm

WTF is the Duchy of Grand Fenwick? I think this Carpenter dude used to list Atherton as his location. Now it’s MP. If he likes the Atherton council so much he gonna love the Menlo Park council. A real vision of sanity!

It makes sense to close Atherton Station. Proven low ridership. Forget all this other crap. No riders no station. It’s not complicated.


7 people like this
Posted by RaceToTheBottom
a resident of Atherton: other
on Jan 20, 2020 at 5:24 pm

It is a shame the train station will close, as electrification would change some of the underlying assumptions. The electrified trains will have a better acceleration leaving the station and make less noise. The trains could still stop in Atherton without having as significant impact on the schedule.

Since the Council is throwing in the towel on the CalTrain matter, how about envisioning what things might look like for Atherton in 20 years (2040):

* Obviously, the train no longer stops in Atherton.
* The States sues the Town to enforce SB50, forcing the Town to allow subdivisions of its 1 acre parcels.
* Multi unit dwellings on 1/4 acre parcels start to replace the mansions.
* The Council allows retail businesses along El Camino Real in the high density housing buildings.
* The Council is eventually replaced with people who like dogs and Holbrook Palmer becomes an off leash park.
* The Atherton Police Department is outsourced to the San Mateo County Sheriff.
* Menlo Fire is usurped by South County Fire and it provides services to Atherton.
* The Almendral fire station is closed because it is not busy enough.
* Stop lights get added to Selby Lane and Atherton Ave.
* Stop lights get added to Alameda de las Pulgas and Atherton Ave.
* Stop lights get added to Walsh Road and Alameda de las Pulgas.
* Stop lights get added to El Camino Real and Selby Lane.
* Marsh Road is widened to four lanes all the way to Middlefield Road.
* The El Camino Real is reduced to two lanes for several years and then restored to three in each direction (in Menlo Park too).
* Homeless are allowed to camp in Holbrook Palmer Park because Atherton is unable to provide shelter options.

The race to the bottom is well underway.


6 people like this
Posted by Athertonian
a resident of Atherton: other
on Jan 20, 2020 at 7:12 pm

The Atherton Train Station has be a historic and wonderful part of the town experience. It would have been great for future Athertonians to be able to reach destinations in the Peninsula, San Francisco, and South Bay without having to always rely on automobiles to get to and from. As Silicon Valley continues to grow, so will the congestion on our roads. Menlo Park and Redwood City have experience significant growth, including more vehicles on the road.


6 people like this
Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Jan 21, 2020 at 12:04 am

"WTF is the Duchy of Grand Fenwick? "

"The Duchy of Grand Fenwick is a tiny fictional country created by Leonard Wibberley in a series of comedic novels beginning with The Mouse That Roared (1955), which was later made into a film."


4 people like this
Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Jan 21, 2020 at 12:35 am

"If he likes the Atherton council so much he gonna love the Menlo Park council. A real vision of sanity!"

Actually the current MP Council is a real vision of sanity as a result of being reconstituted by a strange thing called an ELECTION - which the Atherton Town Council has not had for years.


5 people like this
Posted by Lazy People
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Jan 21, 2020 at 8:58 am

All this whining over what? Wealthy Atherton residents will have to somehow find their way 1.4 miles south to the Menlo Station. Oh my, however will they be able to endure that hardship?


7 people like this
Posted by School commuting
a resident of Atherton: West Atherton
on Jan 21, 2020 at 9:17 am

I was hoping for the return of weekday service. Considering the worsening traffic and commute condutions, a ride on CalTrain from the Atherton station is a great option for high school students attending Bellarmine, Serra and Notre Dame.


3 people like this
Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Jan 21, 2020 at 9:34 am

"Town staff noted it would cost about $30 million to upgrade the station to bring back full weekday service."

The interest alone on $30 million would pay for a lot of shuttle service to Menlo Park and Redwood City.


7 people like this
Posted by Resident
a resident of Atherton: Lloyden Park
on Jan 21, 2020 at 12:16 pm

Once again our town takes the short term view. Closing the station is loss for the town and the community. They were clearly scared by a small vocal group who used SB50 to bring fear to council. In 2020 to close a mass transit station is almost beyond understanding.


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Posted by peninsula resident
a resident of Menlo-Atherton High School
on Jan 21, 2020 at 6:02 pm

For those not paying attention:

* CALTRAIN CALLS THE SHOTS...100%. Caltrain has been able to close the Atherton station whenever it wanted to. Atherton...the council or citizens or both...could protest all it wants, but Atherton in the end had/has zero say on whether there's an Atherton station. ZZZZEEERRROOOO. The town council vote is mostly irrelevant.

* So, why did Caltrain even ask, you say? It's clear Caltrain wanted buy-in from Atherton to avoid future entanglements, politically and/or legal, which take both time and money away from their other priorities. It's smart business, and using the words both "smart" and "Caltrain" in the same sentence is a rare thing! But it's applicable here. Caltrain saves about $22 million ($8 million to improve the station area vs $30 million to rebuild the station).

Personally, I welcome more cooperation between Atherton and Caltrain. And I welcome a larger quiet zone even more!


Atherton's choice was between having Caltrain spend 8 million in Caltrain Right-Of-Way improvements (including improvements to support an expanded quiet zone)...OR...ZERO million in zero improvements and STILL have a closed Atherton station.

Caltrain was clearly going to close the station, with or without the town's support. Considering the town had relatively little leverage, it got a great deal.


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Posted by Judgemental people
a resident of Atherton: Lloyden Park
on Jan 21, 2020 at 8:51 pm

In response to Lazy people post: clearly, you've never tried walking to Menlo Park station from the Atherton station, along Watkins and El Camino Real, with a stroller. It is totally unsafe and to build walkways will only cost the town more money. We've been waiting for the town to build a temporary walkway to connect Lloyden Park to the Library. Not going to happen. Instead, we have to travel down the busy Fair Oaks Lane to take another route.

Please think further about the judgemental comments before posting. If your aim is to insult, this is not the place for it. Thanks.


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Posted by Ahem
a resident of another community
on Jan 22, 2020 at 3:55 pm

With Atherton's decision to allow Caltrain to shut down the Atherton station a tunnel from Palo Alto to Atherton just got a lot cheaper.

SF plans to underground Caltrain from the 22nd st station all the way to the Salesforce building (right next to the bay). San Jose is going to underground BART through San Jose. There is no reason Caltrain can't be underground through Palo Alto, Menlo Park, and Atherton. We have the technology. We just need vision and money.

Do it once, do it right, put it underground.


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Posted by Joseph E. Davis
a resident of Woodside: Emerald Hills
on Jan 23, 2020 at 6:48 am

"Just" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Local governments have almost no vision, and it would be an unprecedented mountain of money that would be better used on other things.


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