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Where to put 3,800 new homes in Menlo Park? City Council debates details of housing growth plan

Original post made on Oct 29, 2021

Menlo Park's project to plan for roughly 3,800 new housing units hit a speed bump Tuesday night when the City Council raised a number of questions and pushed back on an ambitious timeline to begin environmental review work.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Friday, October 29, 2021, 11:48 AM

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Posted by Misha
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Oct 29, 2021 at 12:58 pm

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A lot of residents commented in favor of building more housing in general, regardless of district. I think that was missed in this article. Also, the legal requirements for the housing element don't necessarily match what is needed to realistically plan for actually building more affordable housing. I think that's ultimately where council pushed back on the current plan. It's legal but not realistic. Good for them.


Posted by DS
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Oct 29, 2021 at 2:31 pm

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This rush to housing - everywhere and anywhere, including overrunning our precious parks with it - is being spearheaded by Karen Grove and her sidekick Rachel Horst through the Housing Commission where they are the current Chair and Co-Chair. And behind it is Grove's pet project, Menlo Together, that Horst and her other cronies are a part of - the same group that wants to take away your gas stoves. City Council needs to send a message and kick Grove off the Housing Commission when her term expires next April.
In the meantime, the first thing Council should do is direct staff to remove that optional 30% buffer. It's already a ridiculous amount of housing that the state is asking for, why add to it when we don't have to?


Posted by sjtaffee
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Oct 29, 2021 at 2:46 pm

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Opposition to new housing in projects often comes from those who are already adequately housed. They have the advantage of having "made it" and don't want their way of life changed. The status quo is great for those in such a position, but hardly fair to those who aspire to the same things that many do. Decades of advantage to those of economic means resulted in those without being consigned to less desirable areas, often areas subject to greater air and water pollution, higher building density, way from desirable retail areas and other community amenities.

While we may never be able to achieve equality, surely we can try to achieve greater equity, fairness, and parity for all the residents of Menlo Park. Creating more equitable housing across our city is a test of the values some many people espouse verbally but frequently oppose when it comes to action. If not in your backyard, then where? And why not your backyard? What's so special about it that you would deny equitable access to others? You can talk the talk but the real test is to walk the walk.


Posted by Westbrook
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Oct 29, 2021 at 3:29 pm

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We need to disqualify the state's authority to demand new housing. It's Government overreach.


Posted by Iris
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Oct 29, 2021 at 4:09 pm

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Most of the jobs in Menlo Park are in District 2. It makes sense to put more housing there. More density will help justify groceries, pharmacies and other amenities important to residents. Even more transit. District 2 should not be off the table for locating new housing. The more jobs that get added there, the more housing should be added there rather than in other parts of our town.


Posted by Triona Gogarty
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Oct 29, 2021 at 5:41 pm

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Has anyone in the city spoken to the school districts yet? This conversation has been brewing in various forms for years. The increase in households will result in more students. The local school districts will have to build the equivalent of 2 new schools to house the new students. That is about 18 acres of land and 350+ million dollars. Please talk to the school districts before this turns into another crisis caused by zero foresight.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Oct 29, 2021 at 8:25 pm

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There is no need to concentrate the required new housing in District 2 IF we are willing to allow taller residential buildings throughout the city. Such tall building would also permit more adjacent open space than would 2 or 3 story complexes of the same density.

There are many examples in nearby communities of tall residential buildings that can be used as planning templates. Ideally Menlo Park tall building zoning ordinances would ensure adjacent open space and other amenities.


Posted by MenloVoter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Oct 29, 2021 at 8:46 pm

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Peter:

Menlo Park already has an example of a tall residential building at the corner of University and Valparaiso. Ten stories I think.


Posted by Frozen
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Oct 29, 2021 at 8:47 pm

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Those nearby communities set aside open space. Menlo Park never has because parks don't pencil out. The only way we will ever see any more open space -- and we don't have enough now -- will be if the city decides to add parks to the top level of parking lots and office buildings.

Those of us who have worked hard our entire lives to be able to afford to live in Menlo Park are now having to face the truth: property rights have no value, at least not for the middle class. And because developers won't add housing unless they can also add office space, in another eight years we'll be faced with doing this exercise all over again. Except next time, we might be expected to grow our city by 50% rather than a mere 25%.

To Triona: the district has no say in the matter; their role is to educate everyone. They are, however, using the housing element as a talking point for Measure B.


Posted by Enough
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Oct 29, 2021 at 10:12 pm

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"Most of the jobs in Menlo Park are in District 2"

How do you reach this conclusion?

Personally I agree with the comments that it is time for residents of this city to have a say. Any new housing plans should be up for a city wide vote by the residents. Menlo Park has been changing a lot lately, we are losing land marks and the small town feeling that was a hallmark of the city. It is why many people moved here in the first place. I think it is time for residents, not Menlo Together or other special interest groups to say how Menlo will be shaped in the future.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Oct 29, 2021 at 10:54 pm

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"I think it is time for residents, not Menlo Together or other special interest groups to say how Menlo will be shaped in the future."

Sadly the vast majority of MP residents have zero interest in doing the hard work of getting involved in this issue. Being informed on the law, zoning ordinances and the economics of housing construction and operation requires a concerted effort and without those skills an uninformed resident will have no impact on the decision making regarding new housing.


Posted by MDupen
a resident of another community
on Oct 30, 2021 at 8:25 am

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I no longer live in Menlo Park, but follow the news. In all the discussion of affordable units, and where to put them, I hope there is discussions of ADU's (accessory dwelling units) that could allow homeowners to put a small (under 700sf) unit in their backyards. It would have many advantages for parents with grown children or for those with senior parents who need to be close but want their independence.


Posted by Iris
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Oct 30, 2021 at 3:18 pm

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@enough
"Most of the jobs in Menlo Park are in District 2"
"How do you reach this conclusion?"

I read. See page 29 of the city's General Plan EIR section at Web Link
According to that document at the time it was created, the Bayfront area (District 2) had about 2/3 of Menlo Park's jobs. It projects there will be about 20,000 more in that area by 2040 when District 2 will have 75?% of Menlo Park's jobs. If Menlo Park continues to put so many jobs there, it makes sense to continue to put housing near them. Otherwise, the jobs will be filled with commuters from other parts of Menlo Park or other cities.

I do not advocate this much growth in jobs, but just pointing out where a lot of the new housing should go if it happens.


Posted by new guy
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on Oct 30, 2021 at 4:00 pm

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A few things:

my opinion to current residents: this whole thing is a charade, it is simply a planning exercise that the state forces down on each town in the hope that the local officials will make mistakes and either find a way to get housing built or get caught not doing it right, and have their power removed from them.

there is still la HUGE lack of understanding regarding this exercise which is painfully evident if you watch the meeting (its available on YouTube), commenters seem to think the city will build housing, council seems to think they: need to vet each parcel, get to say what is viable or not, like they are personally going to call each parcel owner to get some kind of answer if they would "redevelop" their property. I have searched all the state websites and found no clear methodology (at all) for how cities are to "vet" parcels. certain council members went out of their way to state "THIS IS A CHANCE OF A LIFETIME", "NEED TO DOWNZONE MY ENTIRE DISTRICT", as if being a part of this will somehow vault them to higher government offices...

loved how open, unemotional, and honest the person from the city staff was with answering all the uneducated questions regarding this.

best part is I got my answer for how cities "vet" parcels. city staff stated and it went something close to this: We sent them a letter, AND if they did not respond (who would) then the parcel is available for "redevelopment". I am sure that the certain council member (who purports to know the process and has stated that each site be "confirmed" did not like to hear that one.

so, I am not worried about this, it is a charade.

also, my family shared an old used car, did not go on vacation for years, saved every penny living in cheap crappy apartments for over 10 years, just to be able to make a down payment in MP. so, yea, talk about "equity" falls short with this family. Also, not sure what a housing EMERGENCY is, Zillow lists 121 apartments, 38 houses for sale.


Posted by MenloVoter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Oct 31, 2021 at 7:46 am

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But new guy, you don't understand, we have to "do something". No one really knows what that "something" is but appearing to do it satisfies some peoples' need to virtue signal. All the while living in a multi-million dollar home. smh This town and the adjacent towns are full of limousine liberals.


Posted by Frozen
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on Nov 1, 2021 at 2:55 pm

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It's not a charade, but a green light for development. When the last plan was approved, seems like they broke ground almost immediately on the big complexes.

One challenge, at least according to council members, is that the development in the last plan was almost exclusively unaffordable for those in the lowest income brackets. This time around, we are expected to build 740 homes for people of very low and extremely low income levels. To qualify as "extremely low" according to San Mateo County standards, you need an income of not more than $38,400/year. What developer can afford to build apartments/homes for low income households, and what concessions will they expect in exchange?

Meanwhile, the members of the council can engage in shameless virtue signaling, professing more concern for the people who might want to live here than for those of us who actually have invested in this community. They threaten that the state will take over if we don't comply. Really? California has enough going on without having to manage development planning for every small city in the state.

The cynical takeaway is that this is a ploy to support our local Meta-whatever corporations by giving them a cheap place to house workers. That's essentially what's happened with the 777 Hamilton apartments.


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