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City accuses residents of breaking the law without any evidence

Original post made by Peter Carpenter, Menlo Park: Park Forest, on Mar 23, 2023

Dear Ms Chen,

I am in receipt of your letter of March 20, 2023.

First, I find it disturbing that the City would send a letter to a resident which, among other things, threatens a fine for an unproven offense without providing the recipient with any information regarding how to respond to that letter - no email, no phone number. Fortunately the Mayor was kind enough to provide me with your contact details.

Second, you assert that “our records show that your residence is not participating in a curbside compost collection program”. Please provide me with a copy of said records. I contract directly with Recology for my refuse collection service not with the City. Has the City obtained access to my Recology account and, if so, on what legal basis was that access obtained?

Third, I do not place compostable materials in either my blue or black bins.

Fourth, our household produces very little such material.We live in a vibrant and cooperative townhouse community in which neighbors willingly share resources and services. When our household does produce compostable material which cannot be otherwise properly disposed of we have the consent of our neighbors to place that material in their green bin.

Fifth, our townhome is part of Park Forest HOA II which has a common area that generates significant compostable material and which has its own green bins.

Sixth, SB 1383 does not require that I have green bin in my personal possession but simply that I dispose of my compostable material in an appropriate fashion.

Therefore, I have no intention of, as your letter demands, contacting Recology to obtain a green bin.

Should this same letter have been sent to other residents without first giving each of them the opportunity to explain how they properly dispose of their compostable material without having a personal green bin then the City owes them an apology and you should hope that none of them sue the City for falsely alleging that they are breaking the law and threatening them with fines.

Peter Carpenter

Comments (11)

Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Mar 25, 2023 at 8:45 am

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I also received this letter. This is more nonsense from the save the world crowd. Like Peter, I live in a townhouse. Our HOA has green recycling containers as we have a gardener that takes care of the grounds. I don't produce material for one of these containers. Did the city even think about this before they sent this letter? Did they send it to apartment residents too? The stupidity of this would lead me to believe they did.

I will not be getting or paying for a bin I have no need for, nor room for. If they want to come after me they can. They can take me to court and I will show the judge just what a bunch of fools they are for trying to force someone with zero need for a green recycling bin to get one.

I pay for my garbage and recycling pick up. If the city wants me to have another bin they can pay for it AND find someplace to store it. I have some choice ideas as to where that would be.

I am so sick and tired of idiots trying to "save the world" by trying to force everyone to do what they think is necessary with their stupid, poorly thought out "plans" that do nothing.

My suggestion is the city rescind this letter before they get sued. I know just the attorney for the class action suit.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Mar 25, 2023 at 9:52 am

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Why are we paying city staff who don't even understand the laws and ordinances that they are attempting to enforce?

Both SB 1383 and Ordinance 1079 require that IF I produce compostable waste I may not put it it in a blue or black/gray container - I don't!

Ordinance 1079 requires that I subscribe to solid waste collection services from the authorized collector - I do!

Ordinance 1079 requires every person depositing solid waste for collection with authorized collector shall source separate their solid waste and place materials in the appropriate collection containers designated by the authorized collector for collection of organic waste, recyclable materials, and remaining solid waste - I do!

Nowhere in SB 1383 is there a requirement that I possess a green container.

Nowhere in Ordinance 1079 is there a requirement that I possess a green container.

How did the city get access to my private Recology account?

What other "spying" on its residents’ personal activities is the city doing?

Why, as specified in Ord 1079 section 7.04.150 Enforcement and penalties re Educational Period, did the city staff not bother to enquire of targeted residents how those residents dealt with their compostable waste before sending out this ill-conceived letter?

How did the city get access to my private Recology account?

What other "spying" on its residents’ personal activities is the city doing?

The next time the city wants to add staff or increase its budget the response should be to first eliminate positions that produce critically flawed threat letters to its residents.


Posted by New Menlo Park Resident
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Mar 28, 2023 at 6:43 pm

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Wow, this is quite an over the top reaction...

I just recently moved to Menlo Park and started compost with Recology for the first time. I have to say I did think it would be annoying to deal with but in reality it has been fairly easy to put my leftovers in the compost bin.

When I signed up I was told the compost bin was free so I guess we are at a point in society where we are now angry at free city services?


Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Mar 29, 2023 at 9:24 am

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New Menlo Park Resident:

No, I'm angry at government over reach and you should be too. I do not need a recycle bin and I have nowhere to put it. And if the city knows so much about what garbage containers I have they should have the brains to figure out, since I live in a townhouse, that I don't need one. I don't appreciate the stupidity from someone that works for me, not to mention I don't appreciate being forced to do something I don't need to do.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Mar 29, 2023 at 2:32 pm

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The city has responded to my letter by stating that I do not need to "add the compost service".

I will continue to dispose of my compostable items in a responsible manner.


Posted by New Menlo Park Resident
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Mar 29, 2023 at 4:24 pm

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Menlo Voter.

You don't manage the city. They are not your employees. Maybe you should relfect on why you have to call everyone "stupid".

Food goes into the compost bin. It's hard to believe you don't throw out any food at your townhouse. It isn't just for people with yards. We should all do our part with the garbage we make.


Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Mar 29, 2023 at 6:02 pm

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New Menlo Park Resident:

I reside in this city and pay taxes to this city. The people that are employed by the city work for all of the residents, therefor they work for us.

I didn't call "everyone" stupid. I called the person that came up with this stupid idea for this letter and was too stupid to figure out that townhouses and apartments are unlikely to have a place for another bin, stupid.

My food garbage goes in the garbage disposal and goes to the sewage treatment plant where it gets digested by bacteria. A separate bin is not necessary for my household.

The threat of a fine for not getting a composting bin is over the top and the city needs to make it clear that we can opt out of getting a composting bin AND if we do we will not be fined. This is the least they can do for this nonsense.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Mar 29, 2023 at 6:22 pm

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New Menlo Park Resident please understand that local government exists to serve the residents/taxpayers not the reverse.

It is a huge mistake to allow a city employee to tell us what we can do, how we can do it and when we have to do it unless there is a clear issue of an over-riding public interest.

In this case there was a huge over-reach that had no legal basis. I am glad that I pushed back and that in my case the city retreated. But what about the many other residents who received the same letter? Will the city withdraw their demand to comply or be fined?


Posted by New Menlo Park Resident
a resident of Menlo Park: Allied Arts/Stanford Park
on Mar 29, 2023 at 7:08 pm

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Peter

Please spread your toxicity elsewhere. Again, I point out that you felt the need to spread toxic rage in our local paper because our city asked you to participate in a free city service that helps the environment.

I am glad the majority of our community doesn’t reflect your approach.


Posted by Peter Carpenter
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on Mar 30, 2023 at 9:32 am

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Has the city calculated the environmental cost of producing and distributing hundreds of unwanted green bins?


Posted by Menlo Voter.
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Mar 30, 2023 at 11:36 am

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"Has the city calculated the environmental cost of producing and distributing hundreds of unwanted green bins?"

Of course they haven't. I'll guarantee no one has looked at that. Just like they don't look at how much power is produced by burning natural gas while they try to push everyone into all electric appliances to save the world. Or want to force people into electric cars while the production of the raw materials for the batteries completely destroys environments and peoples' health in third world countries.

But, hey, they can pat themselves on the back for "saving the world" even if they're not.


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