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How will Menlo Park pay for $4M quiet zone along train tracks?
Original post made on May 11, 2023
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a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on May 11, 2023 at 12:59 pm
Peter Carpenter is a registered user.
I urged the Council to proceed now with the Quiet Zone Study.
As for funding the actual installation this is a perfect example of a public project that would provide disproportionate benefits to residents depending on their proximity to the train tracks. The train noise distribution pattern is also well defined.
The residents of Sharon Heights and Ravenswood, for example, should not be burdened with the cost of this project.
The simple and equitable answer is to create a Train Noise Abatement Assessment District comprised of all the properties within a certain decibel level of the train tracks and have all of those properties pay the full cost of the proposed noise abatement.
I would be in that assessment district - as would the city itself and the Stanford properties. - each of which should help pay the full cost including reimbursing the city for the initial study cost.
a resident of Portola Valley: Brookside Park
on May 11, 2023 at 3:59 pm
PV resident is a registered user.
When we lived in Palo Alto the train noise was significant and troubling both in volume and frequency. It has been great to move to a quieter area, but what amazes me is that even in Portola Valley, weather depending, I can often hear those same train horns in the distance even from Portola Valley. Surely Caltrain could could achieve its purposes at a lower volume, and perhaps with more discrimination through directional audio? Would be great to solve this problem!
a resident of Menlo Park: Felton Gables
on May 11, 2023 at 10:07 pm
Maria Amundson is a registered user.
Those of us with lives disrupted by relentless train horn noise are deeply grateful to all five Councilmembers for their thoughtful consideration and questions that ran late into the evening, and for arriving at the Tier 1 priority for the Quiet Zone study completion among the many capital improvements.
We are also grateful to the owners and operators of the Stanford Park Hotel, Best Western Riviera, Hotel Lucent, Marriott Residence Inn, and Park James, along with the chef-owner of Camper and Canteen restaurants, who all voiced the significant negative impact of the train horns on their businesses and on the hospitality experience in the City.
There is still much work to do, but we are confident that Menlo Park can follow in the successful footsteps of Atherton in quieting the horns and improving the quality of life in homes, businesses, and public spaces.
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on May 11, 2023 at 11:29 pm
No Easy Solutions is a registered user.
If MP had not dragged its feet on grade separation, we won't have to spend millions on this endeavor.
Agree that a Train Noise Abatement Assessment District would be the most equitable solution. Instead of a specific decibel level, is it feasible to base it on sliding scale to higher decibel paying more and lower decibel paying less as decibel is a logarithmic scale?
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 12, 2023 at 12:38 pm
Menlo Voter. is a registered user.
What about those of us that live close to the tracks that it doesn't bother? Should we have to pay to fix a "problem" we don't consider a problem?
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 12, 2023 at 1:31 pm
Not-Jeff is a registered user.
"Surely Caltrain could could achieve its purposes at a lower volume, and perhaps with more discrimination through directional audio?"
What you're describing is called a WaySide Horn, though it's installed at the crossing itself. It's still a horn, but the 'blast radius' is smaller since it's targeted ONLY at the area needed: where the tracks and road intersect.
a resident of Hillview Middle School
on May 12, 2023 at 1:36 pm
Not-Jeff is a registered user.
"The simple and equitable answer is to create a Train Noise Abatement Assessment District"
This is overly simplistic. I don't agree with this approach (and I have no skin in the game).
There ARE benefits to upgrading the crossings that potentially affect EVERYONE that uses those crossings, not just nearby neighbors.
Specifically, the only reason SSMs (Supplemental Safety Measures) can allow for a Quiet Zone is because...wait for it...it makes the crossings SAFER. And EVERYONE that uses those crossings benefits from a safer crossing.
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on May 12, 2023 at 2:03 pm
Peter Carpenter is a registered user.
An assessment district requires a vote by all of the proposed property owners.
Although we invested heavily in sound reduction improvements when we remodel our townhouse such that we hardly hear the trains I would still vote to establish a train noise abatement district.
Reducing train noise is a collective good to which I am willing to contribute.
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on May 14, 2023 at 8:54 pm
Peter Carpenter is a registered user.
a resident of Menlo Park: Park Forest
on May 14, 2023 at 9:00 pm
Peter Carpenter is a registered user.
"There ARE benefits to upgrading the crossings that potentially affect EVERYONE that uses those crossings, not just nearby neighbors."
If the crossings are being upgraded for safety reasons then I agree that it should be a community wide expense.
The crossings have not been upgraded for decades so if they are upgraded now because of noise concerns then those impacted by the noise should pay for the upgrading,
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on May 15, 2023 at 7:16 am
Menlo Voter. is a registered user.
The grade crossings have needed to be changed for safety for decades. Noise reduction would be a side benefit, but a benefit just the same. If the grade crossings are just to make them "quiet zones", while technically a safety improvement, it's not much of one, like elevating the grades would be.
a resident of Menlo Park: Linfield Oaks
on May 15, 2023 at 4:29 pm
Frozen is a registered user.
Among the more persuasive voices at the Council meetings were the owners/managers of downtown and El Camino hotels and restaurants, pointing out that the incessant horn-blasting drives away customers. Anyone who ever comes downtown, who goes to a soccer or baseball game at Burgess, who tries to carry on a conversation while sitting outdoors at Borrone or Philz or St Franks will benefit from the decreased cacophony.
Note also that the city is planning to build affordable housing along the tracks. Why burden these new residents with a tax that others in the city don't have to pay?
If all capital expenditures were to be borne solely by the neighborhoods in closest proximity, our city's financing situation would quickly become complicated to the point of absurdity. Why should anyone east of El Camino pay for improvements to parks in Sharon Heights? And should people in Sharon Heights have to chip in for landscaping that shields Suburban Park from 101? Paying taxes to a city isn't that dissimilar to paying homeowner fees. You won't benefit from every project, but when work needs to be done on your place, the money will be there.
a resident of Menlo Park: Downtown
on May 15, 2023 at 5:40 pm
Running hard to stay in place is a registered user.
Can we assess people for the of educating their children in Menlo Park Schools, while exempting everyone else from that tax?
What if my neighborhood almost never requires any police presence?
Maybe people whose houses are on fire should negotiate with the fire department while their home is burning down?
Why is Quiet Zone funding in a special category?
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