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on May 23, 2012
Does Atherton have to adhere to State affordable housing regulations? Could they also be forced to build or make available low-income rental units? Is this only enforced when a group sues for it, or is there active oversight to make sure every city and town in the state is in compliance? What happens if there is a tenant problems in this Willow Road complex? Is HIP Housing legally responsible for things that happen at their property site?
Cut the euphemism "affordable housing". All housing is affordable to someone or the price drops. This is LOW INCOME HOUSING. Good question about Atherton. I'd ask the same about Woodside, Portola Valley, Hillsborough. Sure, everyone would like to live in these tony places, but does that mean these cities - and Menlo Park - need to subsidize housing for everyone who wants to live there? Menlo Park is doing just fine on the housing front and does not need government interference in our well-functioning real estate market. Let the market do its job for allocating housing based on price. Anything else is socialism.
you are absolutely right "affordable housing" is low income housing. The thing no one ever acknowledges is that the "affordable housing" that is supposedly to be for our police, firefighters and teachers isn't. THEY ALL MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY TO QUALIFY. I've seen what happens with low income housing. I've policed it. We don't want or need it here.
The housing element is intended to put housing that is affordable to employees near the businesses they work in. Atherton, Portola Valley and Woodside don't have this issue.
really? Portola Valley has no businesses? Funny, isn't there a Roberts there along with several other businesses?
Mrs. B. calls affordable housing socialism. That's ironic given the focus on this complex is to house veterans. Do we have to be socialists to care for our veterans? I say no - we have room in capitalism for this, even though inevitable there'll be some problems - as there always is, with everything.
this particular complex is different because it is focused on vets. Most of the rest do not have that focus and are just socialist nonsense. I do a lot of building in Atherton. It would sure be nice if I could live there too. I can't because I can't afford it and I have no expectation that the town should provide reduced price housing for me so I can. Real estate costs what it costs. It's all about location. If you and I can't afford to live someplace, we don't. If BMR housing actually helped those it was supposedly there to help - police, firefighters and teachers we'd be having a different conversation. It doesn't help them because they make TOO MUCH MONEY. So, who are we actually helping with BMR housing? Average folks that can't afford to live here under normal circumstances. That's socialism.
Where can San Mateo County residents find info on the laws re affordable housing? MV, thanks again for your pov - you have insight into the building, especially, & I know that of course it's a cash cow for those who look to exploit.
I have questions (some which echo others) such as:
-What about affordable housing regs for smaller towns w/high income residents, a la Atherton, Woodside, PV?
-Is it legally mandated that some of the housing be used to teachers, cops, firefighters?
-What makes people think this is "just socialism" & if so, what type of socialism? Democratic socialism? That's what it sounds like to me. What's wrong w/some democratic socialism mixed in w/capitalism - are there resulting evils of which I'm naively unaware?
-How do we care for the used & abused in our midst, who need help caring for themselves? This is a good question this Memorial Day weekend because it involved veterans among that demographic.
-If folks are do dead set against it, are they working to eradicate it legally, or just kvetching?
-Since Menlo's been dragging its feet all of these years, why weren't they nailed by the county or state long before, so that it wasn't such a shock.
I couldn't find answers online to most of my questions, so maybe it's my inability to find the proper housing element info online.
it's socialism pure and simple. I don't know of what variety, just socialism. Land and construction cost money. Borrowing money and or carrying the costs of construction have costs associated with it. The developer is working to make a living so there needs to be profit in the equation as well. When the developer is forced to sell some of his or her units below what it costs to construct them and buy the land, someone's going to pay the price and it isn't going to be the person buying the BMR unit. Either the developer takes a hit to his bottom line or he charges more for the other units in the project. Hence it is basically income (or cost) redistribution, i.e. socialism.
More proof that our society is no longer governed by law, but by the threat of lawsuits. The HIP project for veterans in Belle Haven would have been approved with or without the lawsuits. It is the thought that our local elected officials have their hands tied that concerns me.
Regarding Atherton, Woodside, and Portola Valley, it is not so much whether it make sense to have BMP housing there; it is WHEN will they be hit with the same lawsuits from these same groups. Be ready.
"Do we have to be socialists to care for our veterans?"
off subject, but here goes...
Don't know if we 'have to', but we are. The best healthcare delivery in the US is indeed socialized medicine. It's called the VA. Government owned hospitals. Government paid salaries. Government funded healthcare.
The very definition of socialized medicine.
And it is the most *efficient* healthcare system in the nation, delivering quality healthcare with the lowest overhead, far lower than private, for profit insurers. Web Link
Our vets deserve it. Too bad no one else deserves efficient, low overhead healthcare.
Social Menlo, thank you for your thoughtful post. I also appreciate MV's pov, as different as it is from yours. I've seen the pluses & minuses of both socialized medicine abroad & of the VA system here. I've personally not experienced either, but of course I'm concerned about health care in this country. That gets extrapolated to the lower income folks who area crucial sector in Sili Valley's economy as well as the ethics of caring for those who've served our country & for various reasons, need help in being cared for down the line.
I appreciated George's comment as well. My pov is that it's absolutely shameful that Menlo has had to be dragged, kicking & screaming, into 2012 in order to obey the law they've ignored for years. That doesn't help anyone who lives in Menlo, does it?
the law is wrong and it doesn't benefit anyone it is designed to benefit and it is socialism. With the exception of providing housing to our vets it is unnecessary and is social engineering. Sorry, but that's the bottom line for me. The law needs to be challenged and fought in court which is what I suspect many of the cities like ours are hoping; that by ignoring the law someonone is going to eventually sue them and they can get this stupidity overturned.
"Is it legally mandated that some of the housing be used to teachers, cops, firefighters?"
Cops and firefighters generally make more than the $81,000 to qualify for this housing. And most teachers won't qualify either, especially if their spouse has a job.
This housing is intended for LOW INCOME people. A firefighter making $100,000 isn't low income.
Thanks, MV & POGO.
I am not sure that Menlo was ignoring the law, hoping that they could challenge it that way. I'd like to think that they're that strategic, but there is much evidence to the contrary!
As a society, it's hard to say where to draw the line on social engineering. I say that because I don't think we have come to terms w/what going to war does to people & that if we don't help them, they truly are cannon fodder & we don't want to be that type of society. Or do we?
These issues become more complicated in expensive areas & I understand that the systems we have in place to help people can be taken advantage of and/or don't always work smoothly. I've seen it firsthand & it's unwieldly, to say the least. But if we don't have them, bad things happen as well. I'd rather read about housing vets than about private businesses trolling for money from the community.
We should help people who truly need help.
If we would only use that simple rule as our guidance, we could provide REAL help to the truly needy instead of creating another handout to those who don't really need it.
And that admonition goes for handouts to the rich, too.
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