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Tuesday: Menlo Park council to evaluate its travel policies

Original post made on Sep 10, 2018

The Menlo Park City Council may update its policies regarding taxpayer- and third-party funded travel at its Sept. 11 meeting.

Read the full story here Web Link posted Monday, September 10, 2018, 11:58 AM

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Posted by whatever
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 10, 2018 at 12:06 pm

About time this matter is properly addressed.


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Posted by correction
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Sep 10, 2018 at 1:08 pm

The first reference to 501(c)(3) is not correct. A 501(c)(3) or a foreign government are both acceptable funding sources.


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Posted by Brian
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Sep 10, 2018 at 1:37 pm

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whatever,

I think you may be optimistic if you think it will be "Properly addressed" because the people who would update the policies are also the ones that have been abusing the existing policies.

If they really wanted to make a travel policy they would forbid travel paid for by 3rd parties and only approve City related travel with a vote by the City Council on any travel totaling more than $1,000.

We will see what they come up with but I would not be surprised if they tabled any decision until after the election because this is already a topic for district 2 and Kirsten is trying to get re-elected.


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Posted by Lynne Bramlett
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 10, 2018 at 3:11 pm

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Here's my email to council on the topic. Web Link First bad sign was the staff report, which didn't directly address the main concerns. In contrast, other staff reports have been quite directive with their recommendations to Council. Unfortunately, my email included a table which didn't show up well in the email to council format, but the content is there. Misuse of position should be addressed along with more guidance regarding accepting money from foreign entities as they could be fronts for a government. I detail my major concerns in my email, so won't repeat them here. Anyone with concerns on this topic, please write council at city.council@menlopark.org.


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Posted by FPPC Investigation
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Sep 10, 2018 at 3:14 pm

Dollars to donuts the matter isn't heard until late, after 10:30pm at night and the Council majority tries to insulate Kirsten's trip to China from criticism in their comments.


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Posted by Downtowner
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 10, 2018 at 5:10 pm

I see no reason for any MP councilperson to go to China on our money to "help" Mtn. View with its business deal. Mountain View is perfectly able to do that without Kirsten's presence. Did she take her husband along?
Trips by kids to a sister city (why?) should be chaperoned by a teacher who's certainly better able to handle kids they probably know than some council member.
With skype, face time, etc., there really isn't a good reason to spend thousands for anyone on the council to take a taxpayer-paid trip.


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Posted by correction
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Sep 10, 2018 at 11:33 pm

@Downtowner writes, "I see no reason for any MP councilperson to go to China on our money..."

Not your money, the China trips are paid for by the Chinese government.

Trips to sister cities in Ireland or Japan seem to be paid for out of pocket by council members.

We're not aware of Menlo Park tax payer dollars being spent on any of these trips.


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Posted by Brian
a resident of Menlo Park: The Willows
on Sep 11, 2018 at 9:40 am

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Correction,

I am guessing that by using an anonymous name you are not an official nor are you stating facts. I have heard that the China trip was paid by Chinese businesses looking for business opportunities in Silicon Valley. The money coming out of the City or not this brings up questions of ethics and conflict of interest. I would also point out that Kirsten missed a city council meeting and a working discussion of the largest proposal to come before the CIty Council, Facebook's Willow Village. At the very least she abandoned her duty to Menlo Park and the residents to take a paid trip to China for which purpose is still murky.

Any travel policy needs to address these issues and state clearly that trips where anyone is representing (of mis-representing in Kirstens case) they role with the City are approved by the council and the intent and extent of their role clearly defined ahead of time.

I agree the majority of the council will probably have the discussion late and delay (as well as water down) any criticism of current members running for re-election. They will probably also try to table it until after the election.


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Posted by Lynne Bramlett
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 11, 2018 at 12:30 pm

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Correction -- you say the Chinese Government paid for the trips and you seem to think that that makes accepting the money okay. The FPPC may well determine that the Chinese government was the front for the (supposed) non-profits that "gave" the money. This makes the matter even more awful! Why would the Chinese government be so interested in Silicon Valley? To attempt to influence business and elected officials in Silicon Valley -- to benefit China! The U.S. trade deficit with China has just reached a record high ($167.3 Billion or so as of March 2018) and this trade imbalance is becoming (or already is) a national security problem. MP elected officials should not be accepting money to visit foreign countries. They are needed in MP. They also don't have the skillset and background to know about all the possible landmines and to avoid doing harm to broader U.S. foreign/trade policy efforts. We also have the matter of wearing the MP name badge and pin in an attempt to appear to be an official representative of MP. The whole handling of this matter is deeply troubling. The matter should have been an agenda topic months ago.


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Posted by correction
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Sep 11, 2018 at 7:51 pm

@Brian writes, "I have heard that the China trip was paid by Chinese businesses looking for business opportunities..."

Only foreign governments or 501(c)(3) non-profit companies reimburse these trips. George Fisher can tell you that Chinese businesses are not paying for these trips.

@Brian writes, "The money coming out of the City or not this brings up questions of ethics and conflict of interest."

Yes, the FPPC has rules and provides guidelines for participating in such trips ethically.

@Brian writes, "I would also point out that Kirsten missed a city council meeting and a working discussion of the largest proposal to come before the CIty Council, Facebook's Willow Village."

There was no regular council meeting, only the study session. Keith has stated that she was not in China but on an airplane during the study session. Also, that trip was during her daughter's Spring Break, she is the only council member with college-age kids, so other council members schedules will conflict. Also, her only opponent in the council race works for Facebook and is barred from participating in anything related to Facebook development and Willow Village traffic mitigation.

@Brian writes, "I agree the majority of the council will probably have the discussion late and delay (as well as water down) any criticism of current members running for re-election. They will probably also try to table it until after the election."

Both Mueller and Cline are not in attendance tonight for the meeting to discuss their travel policy proposal.

@Lynne_Bramlett writes, "You say the Chinese Government paid for the trips and you seem to think that that makes accepting the money okay."

Just clarifying a misstatement. When the FPPC says the reimbursement for the travel is OK, that's a fair standard.

@Lynne_Bramlett writes, "The FPPC may well determine that the Chinese government was the front for the (supposed) non-profits that "gave" the money. This makes the matter even more awful!"

George Fisher will be able to explain that these trips can be reimbursed by a foreign government or a 501(c)(3). These are the rules., but you are free to disagree with the FPPC.

@Lynne_Bramlett asks, "Why would the Chinese government be so interested in Silicon Valley?"

That is a rhetorical question.

@Lynne_Bramlett states, "MP elected officials should not be accepting money to visit foreign countries."

Maybe so, but no other peninsula city seem to care about their elected officials visiting China.


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Posted by trolls
a resident of another community
on Sep 11, 2018 at 8:09 pm

Mayor Ohtaki announced that Mueller is very sick and Cline couldn't be there.

It will be interesting to see what the other three do in their absence.


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Posted by correction
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Sep 11, 2018 at 10:20 pm

After several Almanac and Daily Post articles, the only person that cares enough to speak up about China trips is George Fisher. Nobody else showed up for public comment on this topic, not even candidate Drew Combs.

[Editor's note: Others showed up but donated their time to speak to Fisher. See below.]


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Posted by Lynne Bramlett
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 11, 2018 at 10:55 pm

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Correction -- I think I know who you are. Enough said.


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Posted by Lynne Bramlett
a resident of Menlo Park: Central Menlo Park
on Sep 11, 2018 at 11:01 pm

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Correction -- You didn't point out that I donated my time to George Fisher as did Steve Schmidt. (You posted right after the meeting ended and you commented on Drew Combs...) Very sad that Menlo Park is such an outlier regarding ethics reform, which is urgently needed. The Sister Cities program has a strong ethics policy that prohibits the problematic behavior, partly discussed tonight. Web Link I think you know what I think of your posts.


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Posted by correction
a resident of Menlo Park: other
on Sep 12, 2018 at 12:57 am

@Lynne_Bramlett, I referenced Drew Combs because he was criticizing Keith on this topic in a recent Daily Post article. Combs is a candidate. He should be attending council meetings and speaking during public comment. This is campaign season.